It’s toilet paper, my biggest concern is price. Besides, I have bidet, I can make a pack of 8 last a year.
Well, shit…
Here in Czechia there are mandated price per unit, with tp it’s iirc price per meter
This is why they have this stupid math on the packaging.
Because if all you look at is price / meter the lowest quality is obviously going to be the cheapest.
If you get 2-ply or 3-ply, it’s 2-3 more sheets per meter and much softer. So more expensive per meter, but you can also use less since you can use 4 sheets instead of 8 and get the same softness/padding.
The one that lists sheets is at least using a verifiable metric. It’s better than the “right rolls of unspecified size are more than 39 different rolls of unspecified size”.
Still silly because no one knows how many sheets they use before changing the roll, but at least it’s reasonable silly.
Isn’t it the same problem tho, since they can make the sheets smaller and say there’s more without actually offering a longer roll?
We need legally defined toilet paper roll standards.
Lets setup some ISO standards for shit wipers.
I would be shocked if there isn’t already one. The trick is getting companies to adhere to it.
Helps that they tend to be square-ish, there’s a subsection of people who would notice immediately if you can’t fold perfect paper cranes from a single sheet while you’re pooping.
pretty sure they are rectangles
Oh, totally. It’s by no means a good measurement, it’s just the only one that’s in some way tied to anything tangible. “8=39” doesn’t mean anything.
Which matters more total kg or mm2 ?
Kg for sure, i wouldn’t trust tp with a low cost per mm²
I also don’t trust a toilet paper with a low gsm.
Maybe we need both a gsm and total weight labeling.
The label usually says total surface area in the package. The stores near me break the price down to cost per unit of area, as well. This really untangles the 'how much should I pay for a quadrahedroll vs a dodecca butt sphere" worth of paper?
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This is such bullshit. Pointless manipulation of product offerings to hide the true cost, and thereby manipulate prices. I’ve been doing paper towel math like this for years and it drives me nuts. Grocery stores’ profit model is now almost entirely based on price manipulation and nothing else.
yknow what’s great? unit pricing laws
tldr: in australia businesses must display “unit price” on labels: price per 100g, per 100ml, per sheet, etc for every product so that packages are comparable
I use unit pricing every time I shop. I am so thankful the accc made it required.
ditto! i’d probably do it in my head for a lot of things still because metric is easy, but it saves me so much time and i’m sure i’m an outlier
The thing with toilet rolls though, is they show price per roll, but the rolls themselves have different amounts of sheets. So you gotta do the extra math.
Unless in your country they show price per sheet? Which I would assume would be below one cent.
In Sweden I see price per kg for toilet paper. Which I guess can help you guesstimate, if you always look for 3 layers for example…?
Australia displays price per 100 sheets.
Example:
yup they show price per sheet by law
There’s some brands that cheat this in Australia.
They have “select a size” or something, where they have smaller length sheets. So you get a bigger number of them and it shows a lower price/100 sheets.
Only ever seen the small length ones on the shelves, but I haven’t looked that hard though tbh.
We have this in the US for most things too, at least in Ohio where I’m from, not sure about other states or if it’s a federal thing. I’m not an expert on the law of it, but I can’t think off the top of my head anything that doesn’t have it.
I believe paper towels and TP are $ per square foot or smth like that
Square foot isn’t a great estimate for toilet paper, because within certain limits no one cares about the width of their TP. This means manufacturers will enshittify their products by making the rolls slightly wider (but fewer sheets). The packaging makes it seem like they’re selling the same amount, but you suddenly find yourself needing to buy more.
It’s better than having no measurement at all. I agree it’d be better to rate it with a measurement actually relevant to its use, but the main thing is at least we have it and thusly can improve it if we pressure whoever regulates it enough.
Very good point!
The counter argument is that the most permanent solution is a temporary fix, so why change it if it “works” :(
Toilet paper making is an ART! No other industry manages to create a half-ply so transparent that you can read your newspaper through it, while still delivering the tactile experience of an 80 grid industrial sandpaper.
Brother, just spend the few extra bucks and buy name brand, the extra money ain’t gonna kill ya. Meanwhile, the TP you seem to buy now might have you bleeding to death from your ass.
That’s not my toilet paper, but one I recently had to endure on a non-private toilet. I was just amazed that they can actually produce such a paper. I’m quite attached to my ass and it’s wellbeing, so sure I buy the better stuff for me and my family.
No wonder millennials can’t afford a house, with all the avocado toast and 10-ply toilet paper. /s
In my over 50 years, I’ve never eaten an avocado toast.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/why-do-americans-stink-at-math.html
One of the most vivid arithmetic failings displayed by Americans occurred in the early 1980s, when the A&W restaurant chain released a new hamburger to rival the McDonald’s Quarter Pounder. With a third-pound of beef, the A&W burger had more meat than the Quarter Pounder; in taste tests, customers preferred A&W’s burger. And it was less expensive. A lavish A&W television and radio marketing campaign cited these benefits. Yet instead of leaping at the great value, customers snubbed it.
Only when the company held customer focus groups did it become clear why. The Third Pounder presented the American public with a test in fractions. And we failed. Misunderstanding the value of one-third, customers believed they were being overcharged. Why, they asked the researchers, should they pay the same amount for a third of a pound of meat as they did for a quarter-pound of meat at McDonald’s. The “4” in “¼,” larger than the “3” in “⅓,” led them astray.
America: Failing 2nd grade math since the 1980s.
In fairness, the people they surveyed grew up breathing lead. I wonder if a modern audience would handle that test better
Nope. Failure rate would be the same.
I would think worse actually, fairly sure our literacy and numeracy scores are worse now than in the 80s.
Ah, ok, they peaked in 2012, been declining since, almost back down to 70s/80s levels.
This graoh only goes to 2022… and other sources have those scores continuing to fall.
And we also have TikTok destroying everyone’s attention spans and capacity to self regulate today.
The modern consumer would understand the a&w restaurant is probably run much more city than the McDonald’s restaurant unfortunately. It’s always interesting to me when I go to the McDonald’s near my house that shares a parking lot with KFC / a&w and unfortunately that a&w and KFC restaurant is literally one of the worst run restaurants in my area. Only rivaled by the Wendy’s three blocks away. Where is that McDonald’s the worst they’ve done is late night they’re shake machine and ice cream machine always seems to be broken and they get my order wrong probably one out of every five times. But not blatantly wrong every single order.
The modern consumer would understand the a&w restaurant is probably run much more city than the McDonald’s restaurant unfortunately.
… What does ‘run much more city’ mean?
Were you trying to type ‘shittily’?
Yeah I was supposed to be shitty but when you do voice to text and don’t look at what’s typed out it kind of messes up sometimes not a big deal you got the idea
No one goes to A&W for their burgers, especially in the 80’s. Hot dogs and root beer.
… Which is greater, 1/3, or 1/4?
Duh, obviously it’s the one that makes me look stupid. Foot long hotdog is my answer.
Ok, boomer.
Should have called it the 2/6 pounder.
Wait till you hear about women’s clothing sizes.
Super mega rolls, now with pockets!
I just look at the area of paper on the bottom. That’s what it boils down to, right? Using standard rolls as some benchmark is meaningless.
All this effort to communicate the idea of bigger or smaller rolls instead of just giving us the total surface area. But then, this isn’t about informing the consumer it’s about making it seem bigger. If they just gave us a total measurement in sq ft that would make it too easy to compare prices.
It’s like guys measuring their dick, they aren’t terribly concerned with the validity of the measurement as long as the result sounds good.
Square feet, and weight.
Centimeters squared and mass (g).
Honestly, this is so stupid I just assumed it was a US-only thing. You’re telling me they pull this nonsense in the land of metric?
The land of metric? You just mean everywhere except for like 3 countries?
Enshitification and marketing are a plague on every aspect of human existence.
The land of metric? You just mean everywhere except for like 3 countries?
That’s the joke, yes.
I dunno, I prefer a bidet. It’s much more sanitary.
Yeah but in which mode
If they just gave us a total measurement in sq ft that would make it too easy to compare prices.
They do, and it does.
Given the information here, I believe that:
1 Giant Roll = 2.25+ Rolls = 2250+ Sheets
1 Double Roll = 2 Rolls = 2000 Sheets
1 Super Mega Roll = 6 Rolls = 6000 Sheets
1000 Sheets = 1 Roll = 0.5 Double Roll = 0.444 Giant Roll = 0.166 Super Mega Roll
1 Super Mega Roll = 2.666 Giant Roll = 3 Double Roll = 6 Roll = 6000 Sheets
I can take 6000 shits with one super mega roll?! WOW!
Yes , if you use exactly 1 square each time.
But someone so enterprising and smart like you probably uses both sides, so 12,000 shits per roll is on the table.
I use a bidet, btw.
Ok? You still need to dry yourself, don’t you?
Get a load of this guy, never used a bidet! /s
But seriously, there’s many ways to go about it. Some people don’t use anything, some use tp, some bidets blow air, some use a dedicated towel.
I’ve used a basic add-on version for a toilet, and I actually wiped first, but it evened out, because I didn’t want to get every last particle, just remove the bulk, because I was paranoid about sending bits flying. Of course it also depends on the, uh, consistency.
I used to run a bidet system, but then I found out about xylospongium:
It’s got slightly different architecture than bidet, and you have to manually compile some of the features that bidetinstall handles automatically, but you gain so much more control over your system. Never going back.
Just Roman things…
Use a bidet. A single roll lasts me several months. It’s mostly for spot checks on days where I’ve had especially greasy meals.
Bidet gang rise up.
I think you’ve got the pressure too high…
Like a pressure washer.
Nah, real connoisseurs use a goose’s neck.
Do you use, like, a blow drier too on your ass? because leaving moisture in your recently shitty ass crack sounds like a bad idea.
No that’s why you wipe after. To remove the moisture. The bidet removed the poop.
I just can’t wrap my head around this being hygienic or a good idea unless the order was for some reason Wipe, Bidet, Wipe again.
Why would you need to wipe before using the Bidet?
Do you how how they work?
You can’t get a stream of water dirty.
I literally just picture a pressured stream of water directed at the anus to remove poo poo particles, and disagree that water can’t get dirty or make things messier. Maybe if soap got involved I wouldn’t have the same hesitation.
Go by weight. If you have two bundles that have the same number of rolls, the heavier one either has more or thicker squares.
And if they add lead or something else heavy to the packaging? Ha! Checkmate!
Yeah be careful they be cutting the toilet paper with fent out there. Stay safe.
I wish they sold them by shits instead of by sheets. “This package is good for 100 regular shits or 50 creamy shits.”
This would be incredibly unreliable. I’d rather want the hard facts: how many sheets per roll and how many plies
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