For real, I have no fucking idea what people in Britain and the US talk about when it’s all the end of democracy for demanding proper ID at the voting booth. You think you can vote without ID in Scandinavia?
Not saying voter suppression is not happening with the gerrymandering and restrictions to voting by mail, but from Sweden the ID grievance is a bit bewildering.
You need it in the US too… you cant just rock up to a voting booth and put in your vote. You have to have your State ID, Drivers License, or Passport ready to show, and it has to be checked against the voter roll (which you register for when you get your ID) to make sure youre eligible to vote.
The thing is that a majority of people in the US dont have passports. A majority of people in the US never even leave their own state, so they dont need one.
WE ALREADY HAVE TO HAVE ID TO VOTE, what do you think voter registration is? In every single state you have to, get this, register to vote. You don’t just walk into a polling station and just say give me a ballot. No they certify your citizenship BEFOREHAND. THAT’S WHY PEOPLE ARE ON THE VOTER ROLLS TO BEGIN WITH!
It’s not inefficient, they check that you are a citizen before it’s even time to vote You don’t need to prove anything at the voting location generally. Because how much of a hassle would it be if you had to prove you’re a citizen the day you go to vote? Can you imagine how long that would take? It’s like pre-registering for anything.
For real, I have no fucking idea what people in Britain and the US talk about when it’s all the end of democracy for demanding proper ID at the voting booth
The requirements for what constitutes an acceptable ID keep tightening. And if you have to pay for an ID in order to vote, that’s a poll tax. Which I’m sure you don’t have a problem with either, since your country doesn’t have a history of using them to oppress minorities.
LMAO I have no idea what you’re on about. Sami and Tornedalings would laugh in your face if you presented this argument.
Maybe there are legitimate grievances for what should count as proper ID and how you can acquire them, I don’t know, I’m not that much in tune with this part of American politics. But I find it very hard to believe that the requirement of biometric/photo ID is the real problem. If it is genuinely so difficult to acquire a proper ID, then you should probably work on that issue instead of the idea of requiring them for voting.
I don’t even know what Republican talking points are. I’m commenting from a Scandinavian perspective in which a photo/biometric ID plus your voter card that gets mailed to your address is required to vote.
I’m not saying that the proposed legislagion is good or bad. I’m saying that if it genuinely is difficult for Americans to acquire proper ID then that’s a deeper problem that you should address first.
You need IDs to vote in the US as well. Most people register to vote when they get their ID, and for most people, that is your Driver’s License or State ID card. Those already have your information.
The issues here are they are tightening the ID requirements. Most people in the US dont have passports. In addition, the changes they are making require you to have the passport match your birth certificate. If you get married and take your spouse’s last name, and have that on your passport, you now do not have a valid voter ID.
This is an easy way to wipe off quite a lot of women, minorities, and poor people from the voting rolls.
Right, I get it. You have photo IDs (supposedly with chips?) but that’s not necessarily enough to prove citizenship. What should be enough for voting is a voter’s card coupled with the photo ID. And it sounds like that’s what you have now.
The ID that we currently have specifically do prove citizenship and your eligibility to vote. And again, are checked against the voter registration roll.
For real, I have no fucking idea what people in Britain and the US talk about when it’s all the end of democracy for demanding proper ID at the voting booth. You think you can vote without ID in Scandinavia?
Not saying voter suppression is not happening with the gerrymandering and restrictions to voting by mail, but from Sweden the ID grievance is a bit bewildering.
You need it in the US too… you cant just rock up to a voting booth and put in your vote. You have to have your State ID, Drivers License, or Passport ready to show, and it has to be checked against the voter roll (which you register for when you get your ID) to make sure youre eligible to vote.
The thing is that a majority of people in the US dont have passports. A majority of people in the US never even leave their own state, so they dont need one.
WE ALREADY HAVE TO HAVE ID TO VOTE, what do you think voter registration is? In every single state you have to, get this, register to vote. You don’t just walk into a polling station and just say give me a ballot. No they certify your citizenship BEFOREHAND. THAT’S WHY PEOPLE ARE ON THE VOTER ROLLS TO BEGIN WITH!
Sounds maddening and inefficient. I still don’t see a problem with requiring proper ID when casting the ballot.
It’s not inefficient, they check that you are a citizen before it’s even time to vote You don’t need to prove anything at the voting location generally. Because how much of a hassle would it be if you had to prove you’re a citizen the day you go to vote? Can you imagine how long that would take? It’s like pre-registering for anything.
Its required. You hand them your driver’s license (photo ID) when you walk in.
In the US?
Yes
Then I have a really hard time seeing what the problem is.
The requirements for what constitutes an acceptable ID keep tightening. And if you have to pay for an ID in order to vote, that’s a poll tax. Which I’m sure you don’t have a problem with either, since your country doesn’t have a history of using them to oppress minorities.
LMAO I have no idea what you’re on about. Sami and Tornedalings would laugh in your face if you presented this argument.
Maybe there are legitimate grievances for what should count as proper ID and how you can acquire them, I don’t know, I’m not that much in tune with this part of American politics. But I find it very hard to believe that the requirement of biometric/photo ID is the real problem. If it is genuinely so difficult to acquire a proper ID, then you should probably work on that issue instead of the idea of requiring them for voting.
The proposed law requires a passport. With a name that matches your birth certificate, first and last, even if you’re married.
Stop spreading republican talking points.
I don’t even know what Republican talking points are. I’m commenting from a Scandinavian perspective in which a photo/biometric ID plus your voter card that gets mailed to your address is required to vote.
I’m not saying that the proposed legislagion is good or bad. I’m saying that if it genuinely is difficult for Americans to acquire proper ID then that’s a deeper problem that you should address first.
You need IDs to vote in the US as well. Most people register to vote when they get their ID, and for most people, that is your Driver’s License or State ID card. Those already have your information.
The issues here are they are tightening the ID requirements. Most people in the US dont have passports. In addition, the changes they are making require you to have the passport match your birth certificate. If you get married and take your spouse’s last name, and have that on your passport, you now do not have a valid voter ID.
This is an easy way to wipe off quite a lot of women, minorities, and poor people from the voting rolls.
Right, I get it. You have photo IDs (supposedly with chips?) but that’s not necessarily enough to prove citizenship. What should be enough for voting is a voter’s card coupled with the photo ID. And it sounds like that’s what you have now.
The ID that we currently have specifically do prove citizenship and your eligibility to vote. And again, are checked against the voter registration roll.
If that’s the case then there really shouldn’t be any reason to complicate it further.