And you’d be wrong to say so. Polls in most post-communist states (except some exceptionally right wing nationalist regimes such as the Baltics or Poland) clearly tell us that most people preferred living under socialism.
When talking about the effects of socialism, we need to compare with what came before or after. And what came after was horrifying:
Ahem. I wonder if non-communist states are any different, or it’s just that birth rates dipped before/during a World War, and they were all climbing back up until ~the '80s?
Would be an interesting thing to sed. My graphs are Wikipedia screenshots from the “Demographics of X” for each country mentioned. Would you post some from, say, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, US…?
Sorry, the last time I was commenting from the toilet. I’ve done some looking up:
France:
Spain:
Germany:
Italy:
I mean, I know that 5 countries isn’t considered reliable statistics, I guess, but most of them are also on the rise in the given time period. Italy and a few other countries seemingly had a dip.
Thanks a lot for the extra info! My point was not particularly the population growth isolated, rather the total destruction of the demographics of most eastern block countries after the point in time in 1990 when the block is dissolved and the countries transition to capitalism. This is not apparent in the western capitalist countries because the dynamic of western Europe is that of imperial core whereas eastern Europe has become imperial periphery, to be exploited and denied equal footing than that of the west!
Which is a fair point. I’m not an expert by any means, but the change in population growth could have come from various effects: maybe it wasn’t the end of socialism, but the start of capitalism; maybe it wasn’t the start of capitalism, but a general uncertainty after the old system dissolved; maybe it was coming from a third source (see above); maybe it was a global phenomenon, which has been happening in developed countries ever since; I don’t know, maybe it was The Shining coming out in 1980.
Edit: replied to the wrong comment lmao
And you’d be wrong to say so. Polls in most post-communist states (except some exceptionally right wing nationalist regimes such as the Baltics or Poland) clearly tell us that most people preferred living under socialism.
When talking about the effects of socialism, we need to compare with what came before or after. And what came after was horrifying:
Lmao @ the reply to me, obliterated me
Gommunist DESTROYED by FACTS and @
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Ahem. I wonder if non-communist states are any different, or it’s just that birth rates dipped before/during a World War, and they were all climbing back up until ~the '80s?
Non-socialist states did not have that same severe drop right as socialism was dissolved.
Would be an interesting thing to sed. My graphs are Wikipedia screenshots from the “Demographics of X” for each country mentioned. Would you post some from, say, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, US…?
Sorry, the last time I was commenting from the toilet. I’ve done some looking up:
France:
Spain:
Germany:
Italy:
I mean, I know that 5 countries isn’t considered reliable statistics, I guess, but most of them are also on the rise in the given time period. Italy and a few other countries seemingly had a dip.
Thanks a lot for the extra info! My point was not particularly the population growth isolated, rather the total destruction of the demographics of most eastern block countries after the point in time in 1990 when the block is dissolved and the countries transition to capitalism. This is not apparent in the western capitalist countries because the dynamic of western Europe is that of imperial core whereas eastern Europe has become imperial periphery, to be exploited and denied equal footing than that of the west!
Which is a fair point. I’m not an expert by any means, but the change in population growth could have come from various effects: maybe it wasn’t the end of socialism, but the start of capitalism; maybe it wasn’t the start of capitalism, but a general uncertainty after the old system dissolved; maybe it was coming from a third source (see above); maybe it was a global phenomenon, which has been happening in developed countries ever since; I don’t know, maybe it was The Shining coming out in 1980.