Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on March 16 that the United States and Israel had misjudged the prospects of a swift military operation in Iran, arguing that Washington and Jerusalem now understand they were "mistaken."
Ukraine joined the sanctions on iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program and balistic program. That is a breach of Iran sovereignity amd before it with the same regime in place the relation between the two country was decent
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians. They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least. Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
How? By trading with it’s ally Russia? Same way Ukraine has been trading with it’s allies US, EU and others? We are at world war if that’s the case for breached sovereignty.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians.
Yes. Something we can agree on. Iranian people should be the only ones who decides how their country is run.
They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
So the world will lift the sanctions placed on them and let them as citizens of a sovereign nation overthrow their theocratic government?
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least.
I think you are confused and maybe posted in a different thread. “Russia scoffs at US-Israeli ‘miscalculation’ in Iran, years after failing to take Ukraine in days” was the original title of this article… Ukraine’s hypocrisy is very much on point for this article.
Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
Funny you say that. You are in effect the most effective propagandist for theocrats and other autocrats. You celebrate murder of civilians by lawless nations and then pretend to care about civility and rule of law. When that hypocrisy is exposed you are surprised why people are not listening to you.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty. And if people living in those countries are unhappy about their government, it’s up to them and only them to change that. It’s doesn’t matter if we personally like it or not. It’s written in the UN Charter which we all are part of.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty.
I don’t know which country you are in, but I assume we both are part of the global minority that has won the birth lottery and are now residing in a region with relatively stable democratic institutions, a high standard of living, and the enjoyment of expressing an opinion without fear of the police showing up and make you disappear.
The UN Charter, the Declaration of Human Rights, and all other international agreements are valuable if respected by everyone that signed them. Countries like Iran, Russia, and China have signed most of these agreements (including the Declaration of Human Rights), but are apparently ignoring them by default. Russia, for example, agreed to more than 20 ceasefire agreement since its Ukraine invasion has began in 2014, and the Kremlin has undermined all of them.
Iran has now been sending weapons to Russia, supporting its aggression. China has been rightfully named a decisive enabler of Russia in the Ukraine war. Your argument that Ukraine is also supported by the West is dishonest and discredits you, because Ukraine is defending itself. The EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and other democratic states are supporting Ukraine’s defense. Iran and China are supporting Russia’s aggression.
This is why we should all care. Because the UN Charter and all other agreements are worthless if not enforced, and we are going in the wrong direction if we don’t stop those who breach them.
Autocratic regimes are not only suppressing their own citizens, they are also actively threatening Western-style democracies and the people there. We must oppose them by all means - militarily, politically, and economically. I don’t want, to provide an example, cheap oil and gas from Russia and Iran nor any renewable energy tech from China.
Countries like Iran, Russia, and China have signed most of these agreements (including the Declaration of Human Rights), but are apparently ignoring them by default.
Iran has now been sending weapons to Russia, supporting its aggression. China has been rightfully named a decisive enabler of Russia in the Ukraine war. Your argument that Ukraine is also supported by the West is dishonest and discredits you, because Ukraine is defending itself. The EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and other democratic states are supporting Ukraine’s defense. Iran and China are supporting Russia’s aggression.
UN Charter doesn’t block aggressor or defending country from trading with others. If it did, we would be at World War at this point. That’s my argument, not whatever you try to make it.
Like I said multiple time, I support Ukraine’s fight for their sovereignty, but unlike unprincipled people I in the same way support Iran’s fight for their sovereignty from US and Israel aggression.
Because the UN Charter and all other agreements are worthless if not enforced, and we are going in the wrong direction if we don’t stop those who breach them.
Thank you. Can we start with those who commited most breaches then? Like United States who coined the term “double-tap” for their tactic of sending a second Predator drone strike to kill first responders or United Kingdom for their mass rape and war crimes in Iraq or Israel for the biggest war crime of this century where they now openly talk about committing a second genocide this time in Lebanon? Or are we only allow to apply these rules to non-democtratic countries like China, Russia and Iran?
Autocratic regimes are not only suppressing their own citizens, they are also actively threatening Western-style democracies and the people there. We must oppose them by all means - militarily, politically, and economically.
So in response we bomb their people there, right? Comic book villain type shit…
Why exactly does Ukraine have so much experience shooting down Shahed drones?
Iran has been producing the munitions that have been raining on Ukraine for 4 years.
I’m going to be real with you, I see no difference between the USA sending Israel munitions to fire on Gaza and Iran sending them to Russia to fire at Ukraine. Either you need to tell me with a straight face that the USA respects Palestinian sovereignty or you need to accept that Iran doesn’t respect the sovereignty of Ukraine.
I see no difference between the USA sending Israel munitions to fire on Gaza and Iran sending them to Russia to fire at Ukraine.
There isn’t one from sovereignty perspective. Neither US or Iran selling weapons has anything to do sovereignty.
It has to do with which party is the aggressor and should countries use it as leverage for peace. US didn’t commit a genocide in Gaza, they just supported it. Same way, Iran didn’t attacked Ukraine, but they do support it. Israel and Russia are the aggressors who are breaching sovereignty.
Also, if we would remove sanctions from Iran, they could sell those drones to Ukraine or Europe too. Now they are forced to trade with other countries that are already sactioned by US and wouldn’t be affected by sactions.
I must be, because no matter how many times I read your last paragraph, no matter the charity I afford, I can’t comprehend and alternative interpretation of your last paragraph. Iran is “FORCED” to sell munitions to Russia. The if clause sets the precondition of that as being the sanctions imposed on them.
If you didn’t intend to imply they don’t have a choice (forced) or that the precondition isn’t the sanctions imposed by the USA, you could absolutely take another shot at formulating your thoughts.
I’d say I’d be happy to read them, but based on the aggressiveness of your reply I really am not anticipating I will.
Iran doesn’t respect Ukraine’s sovereignty, so Ukraine doesn’t respect Iran’s. Simple as.
I saw a television show in the 80’s where a kid named his cat “Mousey Tongue”. “Chairman Meow” reminded me of this.
Ukraine joined the sanctions on iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program and balistic program. That is a breach of Iran sovereignity amd before it with the same regime in place the relation between the two country was decent
Choosing not to do business with someone isn’t a “breach of sovereignty”.
Sanctions aren’t exactly a polite refusal to do business.
Using economic thrats to try ro force a country to not build it’s army and security is a breach of sovereigty
You keep using that word but I don’t think you know what it means (or how to spell it).
It is you who don’t know what sovereignty is . You just mention a typo because you have nothing valuable to say
How so? Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians. They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least. Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
How? By trading with it’s ally Russia? Same way Ukraine has been trading with it’s allies US, EU and others? We are at world war if that’s the case for breached sovereignty.
Yes. Something we can agree on. Iranian people should be the only ones who decides how their country is run.
So the world will lift the sanctions placed on them and let them as citizens of a sovereign nation overthrow their theocratic government?
I think you are confused and maybe posted in a different thread. “Russia scoffs at US-Israeli ‘miscalculation’ in Iran, years after failing to take Ukraine in days” was the original title of this article… Ukraine’s hypocrisy is very much on point for this article.
Funny you say that. You are in effect the most effective propagandist for theocrats and other autocrats. You celebrate murder of civilians by lawless nations and then pretend to care about civility and rule of law. When that hypocrisy is exposed you are surprised why people are not listening to you.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty. And if people living in those countries are unhappy about their government, it’s up to them and only them to change that. It’s doesn’t matter if we personally like it or not. It’s written in the UN Charter which we all are part of.
I don’t know which country you are in, but I assume we both are part of the global minority that has won the birth lottery and are now residing in a region with relatively stable democratic institutions, a high standard of living, and the enjoyment of expressing an opinion without fear of the police showing up and make you disappear.
The UN Charter, the Declaration of Human Rights, and all other international agreements are valuable if respected by everyone that signed them. Countries like Iran, Russia, and China have signed most of these agreements (including the Declaration of Human Rights), but are apparently ignoring them by default. Russia, for example, agreed to more than 20 ceasefire agreement since its Ukraine invasion has began in 2014, and the Kremlin has undermined all of them.
Iran has now been sending weapons to Russia, supporting its aggression. China has been rightfully named a decisive enabler of Russia in the Ukraine war. Your argument that Ukraine is also supported by the West is dishonest and discredits you, because Ukraine is defending itself. The EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and other democratic states are supporting Ukraine’s defense. Iran and China are supporting Russia’s aggression.
This is why we should all care. Because the UN Charter and all other agreements are worthless if not enforced, and we are going in the wrong direction if we don’t stop those who breach them.
Autocratic regimes are not only suppressing their own citizens, they are also actively threatening Western-style democracies and the people there. We must oppose them by all means - militarily, politically, and economically. I don’t want, to provide an example, cheap oil and gas from Russia and Iran nor any renewable energy tech from China.
United States, Israel and Ukraine also signed them. Lets include all parties in the discussion. Israel, for example, managed to violate ceasefire agreement more than 10,000 times in a year in Lebanon alone and those beacons of democracy and decency couldn’t say a single fucking word about it.
UN Charter doesn’t block aggressor or defending country from trading with others. If it did, we would be at World War at this point. That’s my argument, not whatever you try to make it.
Like I said multiple time, I support Ukraine’s fight for their sovereignty, but unlike unprincipled people I in the same way support Iran’s fight for their sovereignty from US and Israel aggression.
Thank you. Can we start with those who commited most breaches then? Like United States who coined the term “double-tap” for their tactic of sending a second Predator drone strike to kill first responders or United Kingdom for their mass rape and war crimes in Iraq or Israel for the biggest war crime of this century where they now openly talk about committing a second genocide this time in Lebanon? Or are we only allow to apply these rules to non-democtratic countries like China, Russia and Iran?
So in response we bomb their people there, right? Comic book villain type shit…
Why exactly does Ukraine have so much experience shooting down Shahed drones?
Iran has been producing the munitions that have been raining on Ukraine for 4 years.
I’m going to be real with you, I see no difference between the USA sending Israel munitions to fire on Gaza and Iran sending them to Russia to fire at Ukraine. Either you need to tell me with a straight face that the USA respects Palestinian sovereignty or you need to accept that Iran doesn’t respect the sovereignty of Ukraine.
There isn’t one from sovereignty perspective. Neither US or Iran selling weapons has anything to do sovereignty.
It has to do with which party is the aggressor and should countries use it as leverage for peace. US didn’t commit a genocide in Gaza, they just supported it. Same way, Iran didn’t attacked Ukraine, but they do support it. Israel and Russia are the aggressors who are breaching sovereignty.
Also, if we would remove sanctions from Iran, they could sell those drones to Ukraine or Europe too. Now they are forced to trade with other countries that are already sactioned by US and wouldn’t be affected by sactions.
Ah, so by your measure Iran providing an eye watering amount of munitions to Russia to attack Ukraine is ultimately the fault of the USA?
My friend, you’re arguing with the village drunk.
Are you drunk? Please read what I said and try to understand it.
I must be, because no matter how many times I read your last paragraph, no matter the charity I afford, I can’t comprehend and alternative interpretation of your last paragraph. Iran is “FORCED” to sell munitions to Russia. The if clause sets the precondition of that as being the sanctions imposed on them.
If you didn’t intend to imply they don’t have a choice (forced) or that the precondition isn’t the sanctions imposed by the USA, you could absolutely take another shot at formulating your thoughts.
I’d say I’d be happy to read them, but based on the aggressiveness of your reply I really am not anticipating I will.