Can’t you read? It says Mercedes. They were driving a Mercedes. You can’t possibly expect them to lock up a person who drives a Mercedes. That’s like arresting a BMV driver. Inconceivable!
I remember a similar story from ~40 years ago, also in California. A man took out a family of four riding their bikes at the side of the road in Napa Valley.
“If you want to murder someone and get away with it, run them over with a car”
in a mercedes to be precise.
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If the person they hit was a billionaire or a cop, that would change things, right? Or no?
Cardoso de Oliveira, an executive at Apple, and his family were waiting for a bus in San Francisco’s West Portal neighborhood before a trip to zoo when Lau ran them over at a reportedly high rate of speed
The victim was actually an Apple executive and their family.
Life is so funny. That is very sad.
Dans certains cas, être cadre chez Apple ne suffit pas :
Prendre le bus est mal vu aux États-Unis…
Vos routes et vos réseaux de transport sont un véritable calvaire
Et vos voitures de 3 mètres de haut… 🤷♀️
Hva faen snakker du om? Og hvorfor svare på et annet språk som ikke engang er nevnt i tråden? Herregud, franskmenn tror de er overlegne…
Det er da bedre end norsk ;)
Og norsk er bedre end dansk.
Source: har boet i Danmark i 6 år, ejer hus og det hele. Det danske sprog er norsk med en talefejl 😜
Sjovt du siger det, norsk ligner dansk skrevet med svær ordblindhed :p
Haha, det är alltid lika kul att se sina småsyskon bråka om vem som är sämst. I det här fallet är jag definitivt på norrbaggens sida i alla fall 😉 Kamelåså
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It looks as if her sentencing was based on her old age and evident remorse. But I still think she should have had a short stint in prison, around six months.
Oh yea, so remorseful she hid her assets to prevent the family from getting anything
Mrs. Mercedes.
i expect nothing less from a mercedes driver, they are either performing some insurance fraud, or things like this. bmw, tesla and porsche cayenne drivers
In france it’s really “better” but… They are a lot of issues too with mens in car…
Here a french man who talk about urbanism with less cars
I mean, good?
Punishment doesn’t solve anything.
Three years license suspension.
So when she is even older she can drive again. This right here is what truly solves nothing. I’ll tend to agree that punishment doesn’t help many situations but why this woman can ever legally drive again is baffingly.
The deterrent effect can help.
More importantly, the street design (and possibly traffic engineer or engineering protocols) should be dragged over the coals right now. That’s how you stop the next death.
In this case though, there was really nothing about the street or traffic design that was the problem. This is actually insane.
The intersection near where this happened is quite a cluster fuck. But not in the direction that the driver was driving NOR where the family was standing And the driver was going so fast it literally obliterated a steel bus stop. Like ripped it out of the ground.
They’ve changed the intersection, but traffic design had nothing and will do nothing for what happened in this instance.
Fuck cars. Yet again the best way to kill someone is to do it with a car and call it an accident. It’s actually insane. (I’m not saying this was intentional, but the driver should never be behind a wheel again for starters, and this does need to be punished more than this farce.)
Yea, 3 year suspended license. I’m sure when she can drive again at 83, she’ll be a better driver. Honestly the standards (or lack thereof) is insane. People should be regularly tested regardless of age to see if they’re competent to drive.
There’s a good chance she won’t make it to then. American life expectancy is only mid-70s and declining.
Definitely agree on that one, driving should be taken as seriously as flying for licensing.
there was really nothing about the street or traffic design that was the problem
Someone died. There is something wrong with the design.
The driver was going so fast
The street was designed, actively or passively, to allow the driver to travel too fast.
it literally obliterate a steel bus stop
I dont know about this specific bus stop; but in my quick search, the different types of SF bus stops i saw all had sheer bolts. That bus stop may have been literally designed to sheer away from the pavement to reduce damage to cars and/or surrounding infrastructure, an interesting design choice based on what can be inside them.
traffic design had nothing and will do nothing for what happened in this instance
Check out “killed by a traffic engineer” and/or “confessions of a recovering engineer.” It might feel like there was nothing wrong with the design; but as with all engineering choices sacrifices and balancing choices needed to be made. This street chose driver comfort and speed over human lives. It may have taken a long time for those small errors to accumulate and align for a death, but they were omnipresent.
I hear you. I am 100% an advocate for better street design.
What I’m trying to tell you that it’s more complicated than you’re making it out to be. Especially in this specific instance. And yes, it may have been made to sheer off but that doesn’t really change they were going I believe 70+ in a resedential area. There are muni tracks in the middle of the road which makes it quite wide and it’s a big long curve.
Honestly and truly I believe the driver must have had a momentary old person ‘black out’ just slammed on the gas and was essentially unconscious. We’ll never truly know. Putting up a concrete barrier could have prevented this. But I would never look at the exact stretch and direction of road and think, yes, this is going to be a hazard. Obviously it was and needs to change, but my point is that the driver here is at fault and should never be behind a wheel again.
The city immediately after this made a bunch of changes to the area. Changes I imagine they’d been wanting to make for a while. But the changes never impacted the direction / route this car was going. So that makes no sense to me. They fixed nothing that would have changed what happened here.
Thats fair, and there are some odd things to me as an outsider.
What does it mean the licence is suspended 3 years? Does she just get it back after 3 years? That’s ridiculous and just increases skill fade. Assuming 3 years is the correct punishement; should it not be a removal of licence with the ability to restart at the beginning of the graduated licence after 3 years?
Also, there was ~2 years from incident to sentencing. I guess that’s a reasonable delay for a case this complex? But is this person just driving around in the interim? Are there a bunch of people jsut driving around awaiting trial and or sentencing?
This isn’t meant to just shit on the Californian system, in my own town of Kingston, ON; a driver ran over and killed a cyclist with witnesses; but the police just didn’t file the charges in time so there was zero consequence. https://www.thewhig.com/feature/kingston-ontario-cyclist-fatality-police
A deterrent for being old, having no realistic alternative to driving, and a failed licensing program?
A detterent for not following posted motor vehicle regulations.
Not following posted motor vehicle regulations is extremely common in Canada and America. 99% of the time, these failures lead to nothing.
You sped a little? Nothing happened.
Took that “yellow” light that was probably red? Nothing happened.
Changed lanes improperly? Nothing happened.
Exited your lane a little bit? Nothing happened.
Every driver commits many infractions that lead to absolutely nothing happening all the time. But that one time it costs lives, livelihoods, or property. The rules exist to protect against that one time. North American society has decided the we will not engineer away failures. We’ve decided we won’t educate away failures. We’ve decided we will barely enforce failures. Because of this we have forced our hands into operator responsibility and civil liability, and that obliges steep reactions to driving failures that have consequential outcomes.
having no realistic alternative to driving
I am 100% certain there is a bus route along this road. On account of Diego Cardoso de Oliveira, Matilde Ramos Pinto, and their two children being killed waiting for one.
A bus stop that was built on sheer bolts (engineering decision)
A bus stop that was in the recovery zone of the roadway (engineering decision)
On the other side of a curb that allows vehicles to exit the roadway into that recovery zone instead of diverting them into the other lane on a lane departure (engineering decision)
On a road that a driver felt comfortable doing 70mph (112 kph) on when there arw sildwalks and bus stops (engineering decision).
In a vehicle that did not alert the driver of the danger of travelling 70mph (engineering/political decision)
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