I’m really surprised to hear that somewhere in the EU doesn’t cover the cost of preventative vaccines. In the USA, even the most basic insurance covers vaccines for HPV and a bunch of other stuff.
At least in Germany, insurance generally only covers the vaccines recommended by a federal expert group of physicians and statisticians called the Stiko, standing committee on vaccination, who tend to be conservative in their recommendations. The HPV vaccine is only recommended for under 18 year olds and it can be difficult to find a physician who will go against the recommendation for liability reasons.
Wait, what? Difficult to find a physician who will give you an HPV vaccine even if you pay for it?
I find that hard to believe. I’d imagine the STIKO recommendations are the German implementation of a national vaccination schedule. That wouldn’t mean they’re in any way against other vaccines, just that those are not deemed vital for population safety.
But I’m just guessing here. Difficulties in getting required vaccines seems completely insane.
If you’re over 18 you most likely already have been exposed to HPV so a vaccine is pointless. Not a doctor might be wrong, but that’s the rationale behind only giving it to minors.
I can understand that rationale, but that just makes it less useful for adults (at least probabilistically). That doesn’t mean adults should be prevented from getting one, just be advised that they likely already have the immunity.
Except Switzerland. Yaay second most expensive healthcare system in the world over here.
And you know why? Because we have a system of private insurance, with various band aid fixes aimed at preventing the worst outcomes. It’s better than what the US gets, but not a good system because it’s still fundamentally wrong.
This is a silly point to make. Right wingers always make this point because they hate for rich people to ever have to contribute to society.
A well designed taxation system takes from people in rough proportion to ability to pay and then distributes to people in rough proportion of need.
So yeah, it cost someone somewhere something, but the fact that you can rock up at the maternity unit, std clinic or cancer specialist without your credit card in civilised countries is called free healthcare, and whingeing about how much some higher rate taxpayer could have spent on a supercar or yacht or second home if we didn’t use that money to save someone’s life is silly.
Yeah, ok, so everything in healthcare costs something to somebody but now the word free has no meaning in relation to goods and services, so we can’t use ever it?! Nope nope nope. Free has a meaning that’s very clear in this context, this is free healthcare and it’s good.
I’m sick of “won’t anybody think of the poor higher rate taxpayers?”. No. They’re not poor. Literally. Fix the tax system so that global corporations, multimillionaires and billionaires pay at a rate that approaches regular income tax, and everyone except the grotesquely wealthy will have a more reasonable tax bill and we can all have nice things.
Fair point. There is Medicaid for the poor in the USA. It covers vaccines, and like 40% of births in the US are covered by Medicaid. But for those that earn too much it sucks to pay for insurance.
In mexico is all 100% but at the age and rythm dictated by government officials (doctors, at least).
Some optional vaccines (think second shots for non endemic illneses for example) are paid but even then you can get them for free if they have them in health centers.
I’m really surprised to hear that somewhere in the EU doesn’t cover the cost of preventative vaccines. In the USA, even the most basic insurance covers vaccines for HPV and a bunch of other stuff.
Not all vaccines, but some, yeah.
At least in Germany, insurance generally only covers the vaccines recommended by a federal expert group of physicians and statisticians called the Stiko, standing committee on vaccination, who tend to be conservative in their recommendations. The HPV vaccine is only recommended for under 18 year olds and it can be difficult to find a physician who will go against the recommendation for liability reasons.
Wait, what? Difficult to find a physician who will give you an HPV vaccine even if you pay for it?
I find that hard to believe. I’d imagine the STIKO recommendations are the German implementation of a national vaccination schedule. That wouldn’t mean they’re in any way against other vaccines, just that those are not deemed vital for population safety.
But I’m just guessing here. Difficulties in getting required vaccines seems completely insane.
If you’re over 18 you most likely already have been exposed to HPV so a vaccine is pointless. Not a doctor might be wrong, but that’s the rationale behind only giving it to minors.
I can understand that rationale, but that just makes it less useful for adults (at least probabilistically). That doesn’t mean adults should be prevented from getting one, just be advised that they likely already have the immunity.
That 87€ would likely be the standard price without any additional coverage though.
Still does seem a bit pricey if its just one shot but also seems like a number OOOP just made up on a guesstimate.
Idk about one shot, at least in USA they give you 3 different shots with 9 months between the first one and the last one
In the United States even the most basic health insurance is hundreds of dollars a month. I imagine it’s cheaper in European countries.
It’s literally free in most of them
Except Switzerland. Yaay second most expensive healthcare system in the world over here.
And you know why? Because we have a system of private insurance, with various band aid fixes aimed at preventing the worst outcomes. It’s better than what the US gets, but not a good system because it’s still fundamentally wrong.
Well, paid in advance by taxes, anyway.
This is a silly point to make. Right wingers always make this point because they hate for rich people to ever have to contribute to society.
A well designed taxation system takes from people in rough proportion to ability to pay and then distributes to people in rough proportion of need.
So yeah, it cost someone somewhere something, but the fact that you can rock up at the maternity unit, std clinic or cancer specialist without your credit card in civilised countries is called free healthcare, and whingeing about how much some higher rate taxpayer could have spent on a supercar or yacht or second home if we didn’t use that money to save someone’s life is silly.
Yeah, ok, so everything in healthcare costs something to somebody but now the word free has no meaning in relation to goods and services, so we can’t use ever it?! Nope nope nope. Free has a meaning that’s very clear in this context, this is free healthcare and it’s good.
I’m sick of “won’t anybody think of the poor higher rate taxpayers?”. No. They’re not poor. Literally. Fix the tax system so that global corporations, multimillionaires and billionaires pay at a rate that approaches regular income tax, and everyone except the grotesquely wealthy will have a more reasonable tax bill and we can all have nice things.
Fair point. There is Medicaid for the poor in the USA. It covers vaccines, and like 40% of births in the US are covered by Medicaid. But for those that earn too much it sucks to pay for insurance.
It still sounds crazy to me that you guys pay to be born. What a way to start off in life.
No no no. Our parents pay for us to be born, that way they can hold it over us for the rest of our lives
All vaccines? Where I am in Europe, some vaccines are covered and it varies by group, but not all.
In mexico is all 100% but at the age and rythm dictated by government officials (doctors, at least).
Some optional vaccines (think second shots for non endemic illneses for example) are paid but even then you can get them for free if they have them in health centers.
Ok yeah similar here but sounds better there. Nice