Hate to break it you, but Hezbollah is not why Israel is attacking Lebanon. They’re trying to win territory. The rest is propaganda.
Even better, why not fracture the relationship between the US and Israel?
I am probably going to get put on a list somewhere for this. But we need to quit being the nursing mother to baby Israel. Heck I think Israel would rather we don’t get involved in their shit or comment on their stuff anyway.
Israel plays a game by saying they are independent but are essentially parasites. They rely on the US for everything - financial, military, diplomatic and cultural support. Just see the latest attempt by them to latch on to intelligence and military budget spending.
I’d say symbiotes. The US doesn’t strictly need Israel, but it benefits from having a glorified military base in that area. Israel strictly depends on the US, but they’re playing a dangerous game with constant escalations, to the point where the US may decide that they’re no longer worth the effort.
Iranian here, the government here spends most of our country’s money on hezbollah and other proxy groups, fracturing it is simply impossible.
Oh man can we start a thread of discussion I have so many questions. If it is cool we can PM each other if you don’t want it public. But just want your ok first. Let me know. Also what are you into?
yeah it’s ok for it to be public
Why does it seem like Iran is a very controlling country? Like I always wanted to visit but when they started arresting american’s and such for being spies, gave me a second thought? How come every protest they put down by force? Was there any mutual respect once the Shah ended his reign? How does one justify a so called “terrorist” (I am an American so please forgive) getting so much money? Is it like the US where we have bases and such all over the world, and Iran’s are just centralized in a couple areas? How come Iran was willing to help US after 911 but pretty much went back to wanting to kill all of us? I don’t hold anything against Iranians btw so if my questions seem to have a slant toward them I don’t mean for them to. Thanks for answering ahead of time. Can I ask more?
It seems they are controlling because they are, they don’t mind murdering a million people if they don’t lose their power and please don’t visit iran ever until theres another revolution, there was some respect towards the shah when he ended his reign because he didn’t do that violent of a crackdown but the islamic revolutionaries absolutely vandalized the country and hated the shah, we don’t justify when they get money, here inside iran we were pissed when the MoU was signed and that it gives money and lifts some sanctions, after 911 they just did that for a PR move to hide themselves being islamist extremists too, yeah you can ask more and i will answer if i have time.
Oh take your time mate. It is nice to get another perspective since us in the US get shit served to us now. I would buy you a drink or pitcher if I could. BRB
What is it like being a young person in Iran? In the states and other countries people act out when hitting puberty, very anti authority. Is it the same in Iran? How do you act out if you can? Are you male or female (if you don’t mind me asking)? Are you ever worried they are watching where you go on the web and what sites? How do they consider sites that go against them? Like if you looked up something about drinking alcohol, do you get put on a list or something? Is any person from a western country wants to visit will they automatically tag you as a spy and you disappear? Why did the protests stop that you had not to long ago that our Chief of Douche tried to show solidarity with? After our current dumbass country bombed yours did that not bring more unification? I think it was you that said they give a shitton to Hezbollah (paraphrasing) how is that justified? Why does it seem like Iran and a bunch of other countries only care about Palestinians when it is convenient and score political points? Let me say this I am not pro-Israel crap and bad Iran. Because as long as a government treats it’s people with respect and dignity and not just one aspect of it…I am all for. Would you actually agree because I sure a fuck do that the middle east was a better place before all the Westeners got involved and redrew maps? How come you guys or anyone for that matter give up some land to the Kurds? Heck I think they are so desperate they will just take your desert areas. Is there a way we can I guess stay intuned to the middle east like online or stuff? Or is it just Al-Jazerra? What do citizen’s think about enriching uranium? And the far possibility it may turn into nukes? I think it is stupid because the US doesn’t pitch a fit about Israel, Pakiston, or NK… I mean your country has uranium and oil do whatever you want? What gives us to dictate? I got alot more questions if it won’t get you into any trouble. Also you ever though about doing an AMA or something like on !askhistorians@lemmy.world and give a perspective on the history that you live in and what you are taught and stuff?
It’s difficult and yeah they are very rebellious and brave, i don’t participate in protests for the act since it’s too dangerous without arms and they use military grade equipment, i am male, everyone uses a vpn but even without a vpn they don’t do much digital surveillance as far as i know unless you are in a minority like you have your ID card religion set to anything other than muslim or are a known activist they prefer using propaganda and massacre to digital surveillance, yes they do arbitrary arrests for taking photographs, interviewing locals, etc etc if you hold a western passport, the protests stopped because around 36,000 citizens were massacred and we felt it wasn’t going to achieve anything anymore unless we are armed, the war kinda turned some weak government haters into nationalists that supported the gov solely for being anti-west but not many people unified in the government the people unified in anger against the gov in the war for shutting down the internet and continuing executions, they fund hezbollah with all their effort because they can fool some tankies that oh look don’t you see we are anti-west and we love palestine and freedom? yeah i don’t like colonization like the uk did with pressuring qajar and also russia with caucaus, most of iranian citizens hate seperatism and would hate kurdistan to seperate, very few outlets report about iran because press freedom is pretty bad but there is a news outlet iran international with a network of journalists inside iran while they are biased in their reporting they are the best and also the independent sometimes does news on us that is pretty good, nobody likes the government having access to uranium, considering the hardliners taking over after the assasination of multiple politicians which made the authoritorianism even worse, if they could they would absolutely make nuclear weapons and use it against the west, north korea already has nuclear weapons so nothing could be done and israel is their ally and pakistan is not as anti-west as the iranian government which solely exists to hate on the west and spread extremist islamist shia stuff, not to represent the whole of iran but me and my friends don’t mind foreign intervention to stop them developing nuclear weapons but trump fucking botched it and just made their propaganda stronger but we still don’t want them meddling in our post-authoritorianism politics, i am pretty happy to answer further questions in c/iran which i moderate and would like for it to be more active.
Holy crap I just looked at this and got a knowledge boner. Instead of a bomb.
Don’t mind me ask how old are you ? Just so I can frame questions correctly.
i am 19.
Eh, that’s a stup… I mean…
Hezbollah is almost Iran’s creation. This is a bit like asking why Iran isn’t trying to fracture the relationship between USA and CIA.
…or the US and Israel
Soviet Union too. It was the first country to officially recognize Israel.
How would you propose that be done?
Afghanistan or Vietnam them. Bleed them dry.
I have some bad news for you about both conflicts…
What?
Those conflicts were conventional forces being extended to achieve friendly political stability in nations with a large enough population that was hostile to be a problem to root out. Vietnam had a conventional force element with the NVA, though the issue for the U.S. was still one of creating political stability in the south for a regime that was locally unpopular.
In your suggestion the U.S. is supposed to play the role of the Viet Cong in Lebanon, and Hezbollah is supposed to play the role of a foreign occupying conventional military.
The U.S. (and the Soviets in Afghanistan) always had the option of withdrawing to their home countries. This was easily doable at any time they wished, so the calculation of these fights for the opposing side was running the occupying side out political patience. That’s not really the same situation with Hezbollah. Defeat was not about racking up a body count enough to collapse the occupying military’s ability to exist, but to frustrate their efforts until occupying nation politics became fed up with the war.
So, how exactly would this be done?
The same was Russia made us think Vietnam would go all communism and supply the Viet Cong until we either went out of our minds or couldn’t afford it. Now Afghanistan a little bit more in depth. We tell Israel we want to deliver weapons to Northern Lebanon. But we use Egypt to relay this and deliver supplies to northern Lebanon. And let the real government of Lebanon fight the Hezzies with their newly found stockpile no one knows about. Then do what the Russians’s did to US in Vietnam and do what we did to the Russian’s back in the 80’s in Afghanistan. Watch Charlie Wilson’s War for a lil more indepth on it.
Just send more weapons
All of your examples were of supporting existing local insurgencies in order to help them frustrate foreign conventional occupying forces. The occupiers did not have to choose between victory or death, but could at their leisure withdraw. Having that option creates increasing political pressure to withdraw over time. The is exacerbated by military conscription to an unpopular war and a lack of ideological unity in the occupying nation. This is not the circumstance with Hezbollah.
Watch a Tom Hanks movie
Read ‘Mao Zedong’s Principles of Peoples War’ to understand the dynamics of a mid-20th century insurgency, and have a foundation for how that has adapted with technology.
Oh please get this going maybe we can get a thread going to educate people
Holy crap no sarcasm in this but your willing to have a sensible discourse with me and engagement. Jesus Freaking Christ about time someone gets it. Sorry just really giddy right now…But let’s end it on a peaceful note and no hate or anything so we can use this as an example that it still exisits …deal?
