And the EV haters will still say it’s not enough. “What if I want to drive from the North Pole to the South Pole without stopping huh!?!?”
whike towing a 3t yacht!
lol this issue is antivax
“Ah need ta tow mah boat 500 miles a day, libtards.”
EV range is a fossil fuel funded fear monger.
A house with solar or wind will almost always have the ability to charge stuff, because of the excess. So unless you have a daily commute of over 300km, apart from a few super cheap options, range isn’t even a thing, as you’ll leave with 90% battery every morning from your house.
Roadtrips? Plan them around charging points and do something fun. Who wants to sit in a car for over 3 hours non stop anyway?
What’s that? You want to go offroading and decide in the moment and have options? Yes, remind me who started blasting those type of commercials around the time EVs became popular? Even still, cybertruck’s second hand appreciation should drop below $10k soon.
People drive long distances to get places, not for fun. I drove home from an event earlier this year and sat on the interstate for hours without stopping. I don’t want to stop and wait, i don’t want snacks, i even avoid stopping for reatroom breaks. my guess is that i went 4hrs without stopping and only then stopped to pee. It was ~6.5hr drive in total.
It’s a legitimate critique.
Yes, we could all charge our phones every time we sit down but we want bigger batteries so that we don’t have to.
I hear you, and I’m equally certain that with a bit better planning, not all that much inconvenience, you could have ever so slightly adapted or adjusted your journey. Leave earlier, later, bring a laptop for work. It is just a mindset switch (which is probably just as hard as deciding to stop smoking or eating junk food) where once you’re in it, you understand how ridiculous it is that people don’t want to make the slightest bit of adaptation for a tiny contribution to a better environment and to get off this oil train.
On a safety note: 4hrs is really not recommended, electric or not.
On a medical note: holding your wee for that long may not be that healthy either.
You are underestimating how much planning i do to stop as little as possible. lol
Especially in that distance if you are just going from 1 place to another and not to have fun on the way, you should take a bus/train instead.
Jfc…you don’t do that everyday. Rent ICE for one trip a year
That’s like middle aged men buying pickups because they helped move a sofa two years ago.
Jfc…you are the only one talking about ICE cars.
Go away.
It’s never about range. People who want fossil fuel cars will always find a reason to use one.
It’s about maintaining their own personal status quo, it has nothing to do with practicality.
I agree on the status quo point. Most have a hard time transitioning from one type of vehicle to the other due to many variables - even if most variables are solved/don’t apply.
I don’t plan my roadtrips. I have always just picked a direction and a goal (normally get to the in-laws in 3 days), and then when I got bored I looked for something to do. When the fuel tank got low I stopped at the next gas - which wasn’t very far.
Now that I have an EV it isn’t that easy because even though chargers are all over, they are not on the main routes and not advertised. Thus I need a navigator to find them - if this is a solo road trip (which now that I’m married I no longer take) I’d have to pull off the road because you cannot find chargers without a phone (and cell signals which are not common in the places I drive, though I guess I can drive to the next town where there is both a signal and the next likely place to find a charger anyway)
Yup, the general distribution of charging networks and discoverability is my main problem, not necessarily the range itself.
If I’m driving more than an hour and a half total, I know I’ll need to find a charger somewhere on my route. Unlike gas stations, chargers are generally not advertised on informational signs, which is why I’ve bookmarked a number of chargers on my typical routes and started using plugshare for discovery on new routes.
There are all kinds of gps apps that highlight charge stations, most EVs have then built in.
I have found that the normal map applications I’ve used only highlight the large networks like Electrify America, EVGo, Chargepoint, etc. if they even have the functionality to show chargers in the first place. For example, google maps doesn’t show many of the chargers I frequently use, like the Kwik Trip charging network. I’ve even tried to add them to the map but the changes have been rejected every time.
The benefit of a standalone app like plugshare is that it’s crowd-sourced and generally more up-to-date. People can add new stations as they come online regardless of network and leave reviews with helpful info like “charger #4 is broken” or “the charging cables are short, you might need to back in”. For the larger networks, active capacity is also shared in the same way that google maps shows (e.g. 6/10 stations in use). It also lets me do route planning based on my expected range and save it for later or or open the route in my gps.
To me, all that is way more useful than what I get out of the built-in google maps in my car, where the charger selection is limited and the gps will arbitrarily select chargers on my route if it’s too long without giving me much choice in the matter.
Even at $10K, the Cyber truck will be a money pit of chronic repairs and no way Tesla will still be in business in two years.
Roadtrips? Plan them around charging points and do something fun. Who wants to sit in a car for over 3 hours non stop anyway?
Found the european with 7 weeks vacation and dont have to worry about wasting a day sitting at charging points.
But really, the amount of money saved from owning a cheap, short range ev could just be spent renting a car for a roadtrip. I could see the rental industry evolving to have people swap cars to continue on their journey.
You think you can rent a car with the savings. Until you go to pick up the car and it isn’t there. That has happened more than once to people I know.
I don’t own a car. But I do occasionally rent one for trips crossing the US.
There is a market for this, even if it’s not the most common use case for most people who own cars.
EV people are like Linux users, and I say that as a Linux user. “I wanna do x” “You shouldn’t do x do y instead”
Thing is: the way we are just sipping pinacoladas through a paper straw on a beach where it should be 15ºC colder while the world around us burns… nature is about to tell 8 billion bipeds “You shouldn’t do x do y instead”
It’s really just about whether you do it voluntarily now, or are forced to later. Also, electric isn’t going away. And fast chargers are brought online every day, and cars with 10-80% in 10 min (or 300km of range in 10 min) are entering the market and will be ubiquitous by 2030.
Your tires will have melted from just a trip to the supermarket by then, but at least you’ll be charging just as fast as petrol.
I just realized you said km not miles. 300km is marginal for useful EV range. You should charge to 80% for battery life. You should never get below 20% - this is an emergency buffer to use if there is a real emergency which few people have but you should be prepared for anyway. Now cut what is left in half because it gets to -25 in winter and you need heat. Your 300km is now under 100km which is easy to do in a busy day when you have any after work hobby.
Sure in the best case 300km is more than enough, but everything above is real world typical worst case that everyone I know hits. Maybe you live in a mild climate where you can ignore the cold range hit but I don’t.
Found the paid by BP account.
Also did you just mix km with ºF? You absolute monster!
Large batteries can be charged up to 90% for daily commuting. Once a month it is good to charge up to 100% anyway, and that can be for your road trip.
It would be hard to find a modern EV that struggles getting you more than 150~200km of effective range if you plan for it and respect buffers.
I find it hilarious that these range anxiety people are so scared to wait for a 15~30min top up while they easily waste that time scrolling on their phone a multiple of that every day.
Not having the insane energy density of fossil fuels, forcing you to pause life for just a coffee break, sounds exactly like the kind of thing humans need right now.
Did you know you don’t have to hold and depress the nozzle or have to stay with your car while it is charging?
Did you know you don’t have to hold and depress the nozzle or have to stay with your car while it is charging?
You mean get out and walk around with my legs? I thought this was America!
From what I’m gathering staying in your car makes you more likely to get shot and killed by the King’s Guardsmen.
I have a modern EV. I’m describing my reality. It has plenty of range for everything until it gets cold. that range is more than 300km, and it cannot do my regular trips when it is cold. I found this out the hard way last winter, and when I checked there was exactly one charger in range (I was visiting friends in a poor rural area well off the beaten path) - a level two charger that only gave a few km per hour meaning I needed a long lunch someplace where I didn’t want to be just to get enough range to get home. At least nothing went wrong because I was well under that 20% buffer when it was deadly cold outside.
At -25 the difference between C and F a rounding error. Which is why I didn’t specify units.
Pretending EVs have no flaws is not helpful. I won’t too back, but in not blind to the flaws. Maybe your reality is different but you are not everyone.
China is already selling cars with sodium batteries for this issue.
Good to -40C. Lithium ranges are typically half in cold weather.
They exist, but they are not yet generally available in the real world. We can ignore them today, but who knows what next year will bring. When I know I will change my position.
They are coming fast because they are cheaper to produce and CATL is already providing them at scale. Winter range is a legit problem with lithium.
The base Premium model starts at 319,800 yuan ($47,300), the Flagship version starts at 349,800 yuan ($51,800), and the tri-motor Performance variants cost 389,900 yuan ($57,700).
The new “S” model is available in three variants, delivering CLTC ranges of 780 km (484 mi), 920 km (571 mi), and 1,100 km (683 mi).
What people need/ want is far cheaper, and much shorter range.
These EVs are mostly overpowered with excessive battery to justify a higher profit margin. European EVs have reasonable batteries and many are under $25K.
But what people say they want and what they actually buy are two different things. Chevy is not selling huge numbers of the Bolt EV, despite under 25k in most states and 300 mile range and reviewers concluding they are pretty good cars.
American here, how far is 1,100km as measured in hamburgers?
Let’s start with some conversions:
1 km = 0.6214 mi 1 mi = 5,280 ft 1 ft = 12 inThe average hamburger bun in the US is 4 inches, from what I can find online. Thus,
1,100 km * [0.6214 mi / 1 km] * [5,280 ft / 1 mi] * [12 in / 1 ft] * [1 bun / 4 in] = 1.08272736 * 10^7 bunsSo, to answer your question, it’s about 10,827,273.6 hamburgers.
it’s about 10,827,273.6 hamburgers.
you mean 10,827,273 and 3/5ths.
Step one : Build an electric car with a range of more than 1Mm per charge – done
Step two : Make it weight less than 500 kg or less than five times the payload.And only when both of these goals have been achieved will we able to declare the dawn of the electric mobility era. Not before, not now !
This is gibberish.
You’re right, I rewrote all the messy sentences, should be clear now, thanks !
