The X-37b is everything you could want in an orbital surveillance, espionage and sabotage platform and it has existed for years…?

A good recent article on the x-37b

https://migflug.com/afterburner/fr/x-37b-space-force-mystery-spaceplane/

Officially, it tests reusable spacecraft technologies and carries experiments for the government. Unofficially, its knack for changing its orbit and vanishing from where trackers expect it has made it a favourite Cold-War-style headache for America’s rivals — a point a former Air Force secretary once made with unusual candour.

“It can do an orbit that looks like an egg, and when it’s close to the Earth it’s close enough to the atmosphere to turn where it is. Our adversaries don’t know where it’s going to come up next, and that drives them nuts. And I’m really glad about that.”

Heather Wilson — former U.S. Secretary of the Air Force (Aspen Security Forum, 2019)

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      Yes but don’t miss the fact that the X37b gives you all the ability to mess with all the orbital communications equipment you could possibly want, wasting a ton of energy lifting weapons into space to shoot at other satellites or shoot down at earth is an absurd proposition given the stupendous energy cost but an unmanned space shuttle with an arm that can fiddle with things that can stay in space and change its orbit with aerobraking constantly for years on end…? That is exactly what you would want for this kind of thing.

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      Although it forbids establishing military bases, testing weapons and conducting military maneuvers on celestial bodies, the treaty does not expressly ban all military activities in space, nor the establishment of military space forces or the placement of conventional weapons in space.

      Well, I guess I never bothered to learn about it more than a general “don’t weaponize space” sentiment. It expressly forbids weapons of mass destruction in space, but I guess less powerful weapons are fine.

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      Platforms like the X37b, don’t listen to the golden dome bullshit or fantasizing about lugging tungsten rods all the way up into space to drop back down as weapons, but recognize that what you can do with an unmanned spaceplane that can move unpredictably between orbits without wasting a ton of fuel is basically undermine the entire global communications infrastructure in ways nobody can really guard against or necessarily even detect.

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          A robotic arm, electronics warfare, signals intelligence equipment and high powered sensors, what else do you want or need?

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            So

            Pretty sure every modern nation has some of those flying about, pretty basic shit for sattelite equipment.

            Anything which qualifies as a weapon by most definitions?

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              No, virtually no other nation possesses this, China likely does to a certain extent and that is probably it.

              We are talking about an evolution of the space shuttle program, this is not something anybody possesses that cannot build a space shuttle type vehicle.

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                You claim no other nation has a spaceplane sattelite with

                1. Telecommunications equipment

                2. Robotic arms

                ?

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              Nothing new under the sun. It was one of the reasons for the space shuttle program and it is rumoured a few secret launches visited soviet satellites.

              The OG plan for the Hubble telescope was to bring it back with the space shuttle.

              Why is anyone surprised theres now drones in orbit with similar capabilties.

              They arent CnC Generals zero hour orbital cannons

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        Isn’t the guard to be able to identify and intercept this platform? Sounds challenging at this scale, but so was air missile/drone interception, and it was achieved. I bet the USA and China are already working on this or even already achieved it.

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          Nope, hitting an object in a predictable orbit is easy, this is a dynamic spaceplane capable of adjusting its trajectory arbitrarily.

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              The absolute hardest thing to hit with a missile is a satellite that can arbitrarily change orbits without excessive fuel use (aerobreaking), i.e. a spaceplane. Is it possible? Of course, but it is 1000 times harder than a traditional satellite.

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            Iran has missiles that do that, so it’s not a stretch to think Russia, China, Israel have them too, and tbh maybe Iran.

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                Of course, how could I forget? No one comes close to American exceptionalism.

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                  In this case I think it’s the exceptionally large amount of money that the US spends on “defense”.

                  Trillions of dollars spent and decades of it is incomparable to any other nation.

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                  Where is your nation’s space shuttle program again? What space shuttles have your country produced and used over decades that would give them the practical experience necessary to build a spacecraft like the x-37b?

                  Yes, this is an exceptional capability of the US…