Donald Trump put up a video of President Barack Obama being arrested by the FBI in the Oval Office as you can see in the screen grab. Trump is exceedingly happy about it, of course. The video starts with Obama and a number of Democrats all saying "No...
Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.
Keep an eye on your own countries, youāre not immune to right-wing populism.
I hope that weāll find a way to block that bs, like the Kremlin troll farms etc.
Just FYI, you in Europe should spend more time learning how not to freak out the moment you invite a relatively small amount of Muslim people of color to live among you as refugees and start pushing boats back into the sea to drown. We watch your society start to break apart the moment it drifts even a tiny bit away from white ethnostates. Hungary and Poland fell before the US.
Donāt get me wrong, weāre a flaming dumpster fire right now, but it gets very tired very quickly listening to you people look down your noses at the US like your shit doesnāt stink as you teeter to and from the brink of far right parties taking power every 3 years on a platform of āno Muslims in Country X.ā Youāre not wrong, but glass houses my guy. You judge us, but the rest of the world judges us both.
And howās Europe and such doing on gay rights, womenās rights, diversity, privacy rights, health science, climate science, wealth equality, economic policy, territorial threatsā¦
One comparable out of many doesnāt make a glass house.
I think the point was that the far right is close to winning in Europe. If they do, you can kiss all those things goodbye, just like us.
I mean, it isnt as bad as in the US yet, but were definitely on our way. Just listen to the garbage that sounds exactly like maga from people around you.
It feels like everyone is making hate and fear their new identity, and the minorities get blamed.
Well that depends, how about you go ask TURF Island or Hungary or most of literally everything south or east of Germany. If youāre gonna pretend France and Germany are all of Europe then you should at least be comparing to like, idk, just NYC and CA or something. Again, reeeeeeeal glass heavy house over there.
https://rainbowmap.ilga-europe.org/
I agree with you, trying to compare a single country to a union of countries, where every entity has their own interests and culture is kinda useless. Eastern europe has a lot of catching up to do, but I donāt get how we devolved into fighting under a video of trump using AI to post a video discrediting former president Obama by framing him as a criminal. We all just want a world worth living in, where everybody has the same chances. We ought to fight TOGETHER against these race-ideology idiots spewing hate and fake news
Where do you think the authoritarian, anti-intellectual, isolationist, puritanical Christian nationalism found in the U.S. historically began?
Where are concentration camps happening already?
Where is a popular fascist already in power?
Fucking Americans playing whataboutism when theyāre a mile down the road already.
Itās not āwhataboutismā. Itās about understanding historical context and threads that tie history and geopolitics across time and oceans.
Yes, Iām an American and itās bad back home. Arguably worse than ever before. And the American flavor of conservative techno-feudalism certainly has its own unique stench. We have much to fight, and we suck at it (currently).
However, I live in the Netherlands currently, since July of 2022, and not exactly by choice. My (Dutch) then-fiance-now-wife got an incurable diagnosis during the pandemic, preventing her from moving to the U.S. But before, Iāve been all over Europe. Iāve read plenty of āWestern Civilizationā history textbooks in high school and university as well. I see all of the right-wing conservative macho bullshit here in supposedly āliberal Northwest Europeā that I see emanating from MAGA pussies back home. In the Netherlands, that would be the BBB and the PVV.
The mentality Iām referring to is from here. In Europe. EVERYthing in modern US conservative talking points can trace its roots right back to puritanical European
Christian white supremacist monarchism/fascism/authoritarianism,āWEāRE-IN-CHARGE-FOREVER-BECAUSE-WEāRE-āCIVILIZEDāā-ism.āGod, Gold, and Gloryā was a thing long before U.S was. The American flavor of it has its roots here, so, please, as an American not of European descent, cut the fucking bullshit. Donāt throw stones from your supposedly manicured glass houses. Or, if Iām wrong, invite some Roma people or economic migrants from
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into your home, with all of that holier-than-thou āloveā in your heart.Thank you for your posts in this thread. Your work correcting these people is not unnoticed. Theyāve got 300-year-old raw sewage in their basement, see their neighbourās house has a black mold problem, and then when they find specks of mold in their kitchen, they scream that the neighbours have brought the plague. If they fail to clean their kitchen for one week, the rot will seep in to a degree that their neighbourās house could never achieve, and it is only by the cleaning habits of a small minority of their household that the house remains livable, but the person screaming is too preoccupied with the spectacle next door to actually clean house. What, do they think that the person next door isnāt trying to clean? Next door is a much bigger house, and the sewage has started leaking through the now-septic foundations from the burst pipe in the screamerās basement.
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Basically just using a different analogy to say that you are spot on. Carry on.
exactly! itās just a bunch of brown people we have to abandon to maintain our perfect society. I mean theyāre barely āpeopleā.
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donāt worry. this is like the fever stage of the virus.
we havenāt even started the vomiting yet.
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Iām an American who moved to the Netherlands in July of '22. I spend a lot of time going back and forth. My then fiancĆ©, now my wife, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis during the pandemic. Given the obvious price difference for medication to treat the disease, I decided to move in with her instead of her coming to the US.
I find it disheartening to see what the rest of the world thinks about Americans up close. I am competently multilingual enough to hold conversations. I have to admit now that I understand why other natively born Americans pretend that theyāre from Canada outside of the U.S.
Despite my embarrassment about the body politic and discourse from my country, I find that the the same authoritarian, isolationist, and anti-intellectual mind-viruses that permeate through society in the United States (especially in rural communities) have a beachhead here in Western Europe. Either that or theyāve always been here to begin with. To me, the difference is that the scale is much smaller.
Yeah, for sure. The Russians have been busy in all countries. The reason things got out of hand in the states is because you have a two party system. You only need to control a few people to control enough to take over the country.
That being said, Americans need to take a page out of the French play book at this point. If you try to make a Frenchman work an extra half hour a week, Paris will burn. Thatās the level of outrage you need here. Nothing short of that will be effective. Donāt protest, riot! A few people hanging about with plakards isnāt going to cut it when the government is deciding which TV shows theyāll allow, threatening politicians, protecting pedophiles, killing witnesses in federal custody, detaining people without cause, deporting/imprisoning people without trial, and deploying combat troops against peaceful protesters.
Iād like to point out that all this shit is not normal and Americans need to understand how deeply fucked up the situation is. From where Iām standing Iām not sure most of them do. Yeah itās regrettable that fascism took hold in the states despite the rest of the world screaming at them to stop, but whatās really alarming is that theyāre just kinda going along with it.
Too many Americans are eager to lick the boot. āWe have to work (for free) this weekend to get this feature out [for the deadline the owner made up and customers donāt care about]ā was something my old team unironically said to me more than once
As a leftist American, youāre right. Thereās a simply incredible amount of the population who refuse to participate in politics at all, then another huge swathe who gets all their news from social media or a single source which never gives the whole picture. Iāve protested, Iāve written my leadership, Iāve changed family and friends to the side of sanity but it feels like thereās just no winning like this. Iām ready for a general strike, to stop paying federal taxes but itās all self harming if done alone. Our leaders have failed us basically across the board and Iām hoping that theyāve fucked up enough in the eyes of the general public so thereās a correction and we can get this country far more socialized and kick corporations off welfare.
Americaās worst export.
Bold to claim we had to export it. This is like someone saying āyeah, weāve got black mold, but it obviously came from our neighbours, and has nothing to do with the raw sewage weāve left in the basement for the last eighty years!ā
Literally none of those things first gained traction in the Americas. As a US citizen, I think we need to be doing a general strike with riots in the streets and shutting down interstate trade with our bodies marching on the highways.
But you need to see to your own houses, because while the mold is running wild over here, it didnāt start with us.
I think whatās pissing me off about the US most right now, is even through the dumpster fire and their idiotic elected leader, Americans are STILL moraizing, looking down on others and being the world police
For the record, we average citizens donāt want to be the āworld policeā. This is what President Eisenhower was referring to as the āMilitary Industrial Complexā.
Nobody else appointed the US as āworld policeā.
Itās a role that they gleefully took on so they could go around telling others what to do.
The young left has become the world moral police and it has nothing to do with the military, right wing uses the military. The young left is just using shit slinging. But Americans need to get to the back of the line when it comes to moralizing or leading global issues, the rest of the world doesnāt want to hear it from Americans
I donāt understand anything you just typed. Whoās āyoung leftā? The global āyoung leftā? You think only the āright wingā uses the military?
And who should be leading global issues? Europeans? Chinese? Russians? Indians? G8? G20? UN? Who?
Or is it that Americans are the only ones who canāt or shouldnāt be allowed to āleadā or āmoralizeā?
Genuinely confused.
Yes, Americans need to shut up, we donāt wanna hear it, fix your damn country before you start criticizing others. You only cheapen a movement by leading out and infecting it with your toxicity.
Itās hard to explain who the āleftā is in the US right now because you all think the left means just you and your group of friends. You are all punching left and fighting each other while the right is united and you guys let them win. Youāre all so weird and you canāt see it from the inside, but the rest of us around the world donāt want to hear your opinion anymore
Opinion on what? Your country? The world? Geopolitics? What Americans are moralizing about anything to you? And about what? The young left? Who is the American version of Greta Thunberg?
I moved to the Netherlands from the US in '22 out of necessity due to my Dutch wifeās medical diagnosis. Iām not here for the fun of it. Furthermore, Iāve been to 12 countries in total and I speak four languages, 2 of them fluently.
Iāve noticed something.
Every rural shit-heel out here in the Dutch countryside complaining about Moroccans and Turks sounds like a typical MAGA pussy to me. This breed of mouth breather has an iteration specific to every country Iāve been in. Iām sure Iāll find versions in Japan, China, Kyrgyzstan, Angola, Paraguay, and everywhere else someone says āgod damned
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, breathing up all our air.āSo donāt preach to me how fucking āenlightenedā the rest of the world is when the conservative puritanical nationalism that is in every conservative talking point globally got its birth right here in this part of the fucking world (Europe) before the United States even existed.
I donāt know where youāre from but this tide of authoritarianism is global. The United States is a dumpster fire politically. But that fire did not start there and itās clearly not the only trash receptacle burning right now.
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