• davel@lemmy.ml
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    27 days ago

    This has been a US proxy war since the US-backed coup in 2014. The why is to Balkanize and (re-)neocolonize Russia, which the US has wanted to do for the last ~35 years. Previously. Previously.

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      27 days ago

      OK, so a guy wrote a book and that’s basically the proof that US will attack? In the meanwhile Russian media threatens to strike/bomb/nuke/whatever european nations weekly. And is actively attacking a sovereign nation.

      Weird, but I guess our world views differ quite a bit. I would personally prefer no war, but definitely understand european willingness to spend money on weapons, just like Russia is doing. We also completely suck at manufacturing, so even matching Russia’s manufacturing capabilities will take years.

      EU basically assumed/hoped there would be no war and stopped spending on military for decades. Now war is here and it sure as hell was not caused by us.

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        27 days ago

        I don’t see the US attacking directly in the foreseeable future, and hopefully never.

        Now war is here and it sure as hell was not caused by us.

        Right, it was unprovoked, not counting the last 26 years of provocations.

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          26 days ago

          Provocations like? Also, Russia’s provocations are OK? Nobody in the west is shouting in public TV that Russia should be nuked. The whole narrative of west wanting war with Russia is ridiculous and completely crafted by russian propaganda.

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            26 days ago

            Provocations like?

            I already answered two comments up in this thread:

            Previously. Previously.

            Nobody in the west is shouting in public TV that Russia should be nuked.

            Nor am I. I already said what the US wants. Don’t assume that what the US publicly says it wants is what it actually wants. The US said it wanted to stop Saddam Hussein from turning “a smoking gun” into a “mushroom cloud”, and that kicked off 20 years of wars based on lies.

            The whole narrative of west wanting war with Russia is ridiculous and completely crafted by russian propaganda.

            Russia also says the sky is blue. Does that make it false? I already explained—using exclusively Western sources, not Russian propaganda—that the US has been toeing & crossing Russia’s red lines since the 1990s. It wanted to use Ukraine as a pawn, a proxy, to provoke and fight its war for it, to weaken—and ideally to regime change, Balkanize, and plunder—Russia. The US never gave a shit about Ukrainian lives any more than Palestinian ones. Ukraine is a vassal of US empire. It meddled in Ukraine’s 2004 election and orchestrated a coup with Banderite fascists in 2014. It never cared about Ukraine’s sovereignty. As I said, the US does this kind of thing all the time.

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              26 days ago

              OK, so it’s the NATO expansion argument again? “Oh no, you guys want to defend yourselves?” Aggression! Provocation! Russophobia! Damn right we are afraid when we get nuke threats all the time. It only makes sense to join NATO.

              Nobody cares what Russia does inside its borders. Nobody wants to attack Russia. I personally just want them to fuck off from Ukraine. But I fully expect them to attack Estonia/etc in the coming years.

              Ukraine is a vassal of US empire.

              Holy fuck you are delusional :D

              the US has been toeing & crossing Russia’s red lines since the 1990s

              Why would anyone care about “russias red lines” that extend beyond their own borders? Sovereign nations are free to do whatever they want. Nations choosing to align with the west instead of Russia should tell you something.

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                26 days ago

                Ukraine is a vassal of US empire.

                Holy fuck you are delusional :D

                You don’t seem to understand how neocolonialism works, or how the US has been the global imperial hegemon of the imperial core since the fall of the socialist bloc in ~1989. You don’t seem to be familiar with the Washington Consensus that formed then. I don’t think you’ve developed serious media literacy.

                Nations choosing to align with the west instead of Russia should tell you something.

                Most nations are not aligning with the West over the Rest, meaning the Global North over the developing BRICS bloc coalescing in the Global South, lead by China. Most countries are not sanctioning Russia. That’s mostly a Global North thing, and the Global North is a minority of the world in terms of people, land, raw resources, and industrial production. The Global North is effectively sanctioning itself, isolating itself.

                Europe is further de-industrializing right now because energy costs have made it less competitive. Europe sanctioned itself against Russian energy, and now the US is raking in money, by selling Europe their energy at higher prices, and by picking up some of their production slack. The US went so far as to commit industrial sabotage on one of its NATO allies, Germany, and neither Germany nor the EU made a peep about it, despite it being a casus belli in international law: Previously.

                Why would anyone care about “russias red lines” that extend beyond their own borders? Sovereign nations are free to do whatever they want. Nations choosing to align with the west instead of Russia should tell you something.

                Possibly you’re too young to remember how nuclear great power politics worked before the US became the sole superpower about 35 years ago, before neoconservative Washington Consensus of full-spectrum dominance. Red lines were understood and taken seriously back then in the public discourse. Lessons were learned from the Turkey/Cuba missile crisis in the early 1960s. It was understood that ignoring red lines risked war between nuclear powers. And that’s what’s happening right now, fortunately only at a proxy level so far.

                If you still don’t think the US is an empire, consider that it spends more militarily than the next five countries combined and has 750 or more overseas military bases. Meanwhile China has one anti-piracy base in Djibouti.

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                  26 days ago

                  USA being an empire is not really relevant in this discussion. Their influence is dropping by the day due to their own idiocy. Europe not buying russian oil is the correct choice. Nobody should support any country waging war on a sovereign state. That includes Russia, Israel and obviously USA when they actually attack e.g. Iraq or Iran.

                  Most nations are not aligning with the West over the Rest, meaning the Global North over the developing BRICS bloc coalescing in the Global South, lead by China.

                  Yes, correct! But still many ex-soviet countries do. Because they fear Russian attacks. It’s not really because of some US shadow cabal forcing them.

                  I don’t think you’ve developed media literacy

                  Thanks, could say the same about you. Or more likely that you just like to find historical anecdotes that support your own world view. That’s fine I guess, you do you.

                  I guess we can’t even agree on simple things like “war=bad”.