cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971

Posting here for preservation’s sake

Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and others’ be silenced?

You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.

This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.

  • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
    155·
    4 days ago

    You can complain all you like in here, feel free.

    Different communities have different purposes and different moderation guidelines. So I think this is a ridiculous take. The lefty memes comm is of course going to be seen by certain people as “propaganda”, but it’s not for them, it’s for leftists. If other folks also enjoy it then great, but if not, no big deal.

    You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.

    (So) what?? We have no rules against reposting AI generated images in that community. What AI images have I ever posted to FvD? None, zero, sfa
 unless they were the subject of a debunking article. So it was just a bullshit troll comment afaik.

    But we do have an instance rule that says “Fuck around and find out”, a community rule in Lefty Memes that says “1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here” and finally " 3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries."

    This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.

    Also you:

    I’m not feeling a lot of allyship vibes from that tbh.

    The reason you got a permaban is because the anti-ai crowd usually can’t stop themselves from banging on about it. If you agree to not post bullshit troll comments in the community again then I’ll consider reducing the ban.

    • Squorlple@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      614·
      4 days ago

      You’ll notice that my interactions with the community prior have been sparse; the community clearly does not live up to its self-description of “a place for undogmatic shitposting”, but there are some points presented in the bounded ideology that I see reason in and there are some posts/comments there that I see needing reason added to them. Your quote of mine and the following screenshot are not in disagreement with each other. My loyalty is not to an in-group. My loyalty is to reality. My alliance is with the allies of truth, and the content of the dogma is partially true so I considered the community a partial ally with whom we shared some common goals and enemies. I have no in-group, and my out-group is comprised of those who arbitrarily out-group other people and those who are obdurate for the sake of maintaining an ideological identity.

      Propaganda is still propaganda even if the views and message are both factually and morally correct.

      It wasn’t a troll comment; it was earnestly pointing out a contradiction of values. It doesn’t make sense to demean falsehoods to one crowd and turn and peddle synthetic messages to another crowd. Just because something is or is not in a rule somewhere does not make it inherently right or wrong, and I spoke out against two things that I saw to be wrong.

      Conversely, the pro-AI crowd should stop disrespecting their audience by cross-contaminating the feeds of real and zealous imitation. I will call a spade a spade and I will content that is lazy, impersonal, and manipulative to be lazy, impersonal, and manipulative (lazy content can still be good if done personally plus correctly). It’s neither respectful nor in good faith to an audience to expect them to be placated and content with a façade such as that. I’d rather the standard for content here not be degraded to such a value.

      I genuinely don’t understand Rule 3’s relevance to this situation. It kind of just sounds like “If you’re not with me 100% then you’re against me 100%”?

      I don’t need a reduced ban. As you may have inferred before, I didn’t plan to engage much with the community in the future anyway since it is uncomfortably dogmatic. The silencing I received to dissent also drove away any chance of me wanting to integrate with that particular in-group. I more so wanted to preserve the reaction of power when truth is spoken to it.

      • flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        6·
        2 days ago

        You’re allowed to not like stuff in a community. You’re allowed to express that displeasure. You’re also allowed to not enter or engage with a community that’s not aimed at you, and let other people enjoy the things they enjoy.

      • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
        7·
        4 days ago

        Propaganda is still propaganda even if the views and message are both factually and morally correct.

        The whole point of lefty memes is to post (occasionally) entertaining leftist messages in a meme format for folks who appreciate them. Under your definition they would all be considered propaganda, even though they are clearly posted in a “Lefty Memes” community and factually accurate? I’d get your point if it was masquerading as a general memes community and we only allowed leftist content.

        It wasn’t a troll comment; it was earnestly pointing out a contradiction of values.

        You made a comment inferring “pirates” who use genAI are monsters. If that is a good faith comment, then I’d hate to see your bad faith comments.

        It doesn’t make sense to demean falsehoods to one crowd and turn and peddle synthetic messages to another crowd.

        Falsehoods? Synthetic messages? I saw the post, liked the message, and crossposted it to lefty memes. End of story. The rest is all happening in your head somewhere. Who or what originally created it is largely irrelevant to me because it’s a memes community, they are all copied from somewhere. I simply post or crosspost things I think the community will like and are aligned with leftist ideas.