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Headline after headline fails to mention that seizing the ships and kidnapping humanitarians violates international law. Instead the articles repeat Israeli propaganda.

This is how Western media normalizes Israel’s crimes.

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Israeli naval ships intercept Gaza-bound flotilla

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Live: Israel says it has stopped several vessels from Gaza aid flotilla

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Activists say Israeli navy has begun intercepting a Gaza-bound aid flotilla

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Israeli military intercept and board several aid ships bound for Gaza, organizers say

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    I know they said headline, but cmon actually read the article

    There are actual issues with these articles but you can’t call it propaganda when half of it is criticizing israel

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      The point is that a lot of people won’t read the articles, they’ll just skim the headline and call it a day. “Israeli navy intercepts flotilla bound for Gaza” and “Israeli navy kidnaps protesters in international waters” give very different ideas of the main subject.

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      Notice how the article doesn’t actually call their behavior illegal or cite the international law they broke? They just report that other people are calling it illegal? That’s propaganda.

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    They do the same thing with trump and fall for it every time.

    Like the latest shit about Democrats wanting to give medical care to undocumented immigrants.

    Not even close to being true but there they are for the past week repeating it everyday like it’s a fact.

    Saying Donald trump said --Lie– Only spreads the lie more.

    Just don’t report in the lie. Skip that part

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    “Somalian sailing cooperatives intercept cargo vessel to offer exchange of goods or services”

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    Intercepts is a neutral term though. Not really repeating mucj propaganda but rather just reporting the fact that they did intercept it.

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    The reason mainstream media doesn’t mention that it’s against international law is because it’s not against international law. So they just aren’t lying to you, while alternative media is lying to you.

    International law isn’t written by the UN or whatever organization you might imagine would be passing world legislation. It’s just treaties nations agree to. Nations don’t want to make it illegal to do things nations want to do. This is why no one has made war illegal under international law. Countries want to still go to war, so it’s not illegal under international law. Countries want to be able to do blockades, so blockades are not illegal under international law.

    Sure you can say you don’t like it, you could say a blockade is wrong, immoral, heinous, or whatever emotional terminology you’d like. But saying a blockade is illegal is either ignorant of international law, or just plain lying.

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    I’d disagree that this is propaganda. News always should try to Ramona as neutral as possible, avoiding throwing oil on flames where possible.

    Also, the title can’t contain everything, do the articles themselves mention it?

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        Truth is a very fluent concept, unfortunately

        Yes, news should always tell the truth, of course, but it is so easy to (accidentally) inject bias. You could simply spend a minute more on one interview than another and be biased

        Journalists should always strive to be as closed to unbiased as possible, and indeed always try to report the truth in a truthful manner

        Tell that to fox news and co

        This also implies that news organizations must be independent and should always be funded by independent government organizations, not some rich billionaire

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        Blockades aren’t against international law. Countries don’t make the things they want to do illegal. It’s alternative media that isn’t telling you the truth.

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          Not when the UN require Israel to end occupation unconditionally and that Israel showed the intent and is doing a genocide.

          I have a brain to use and there is international law resources I do not trust alternative media or mainstream media blindly. You can’t seriously justify settler colonialism and the methods to maintain it which blockade is part of it

          I wonder how many UN entities and human right report before you accept the obvious

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            The UN is a forum for diplomacy to happen in nothing more. It is not the world’s government and when it moves in that direction it’s always a shit show. The US Electoral College is complete bullshit, but the UN is far far worse than that. One country one vote is never going to lead to an organization that represents the world because most of the world’s government’s are authoritarian.

            https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/current-members

            The UN Human Rights Commission has countries on them that are the worst human rights abusers in the world. This is good from a diplomatic perspective as it could encourage those countries to do better. But it’s also bad because those human rights abusers will put out reports to claim their enemies are doing bad things to give themselves cover. Qatar has slavery, and was a supporter of Hamas (and maybe still is unofficial), and they’re a member of the UN Human Rights commission. The UN commissions have a nasty habit of not recusing themselves when there’s a conflict of interest, so Qatar would have some influence here.

            Ethiopia is also of the member. The conflict in Ethiopia is ten times worse than anything you see happening in Gaza. But it’s like the line from Lord of War… “there was a white war happening so nobody gave a shit about what was happening in Africa.” Ethiopia has an interest in keeping everyone’s eyes on Gaza.

            Same goes for the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

            The UN is just kinda a fucked up group dominated by authoritarian human rights abusers, they should be treated with some skepticism on anything they say about the subject.

            Your link the to Red Cross has this right at the top:

            N.B. As per the disclaimer, neither the ICRC nor the authors can be identified with the opinions expressed in the Cases and Documents. Some cases even come to solutions that clearly violate IHL. They are nevertheless worthy of discussion, if only to raise a challenge to display more humanity in armed conflicts. Similarly, in some of the texts used in the case studies, the facts may not always be proven; nevertheless, they have been selected because they highlight interesting IHL issues and are thus published for didactic purposes.

            So they admit they don’t know what they’re talking about and and having “discussion”. Basically just shit talking in the general direction of Israel.

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              You are discrediting reputable human right organizations that show human right abuses of all countries and all international laws. Everybody is wrong and lying except Israel and it supporter. Everybody is laughing at you for the embarrassing and stupid arguments.

              If you really believe the UN is not credible maybe you should ask the genocidal state you support to leave it

              Not a single country you claim do more abuses than Israel has as much genocide statements and defend settler colonialism . The only person who was more as explicit was Hitler

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                Like I say the UN is useful as a forum for diplomacy. If countries are making bullshit resolutions they’re less likely to go to war. That doesn’t make the resolutions less bullshit.

                About half the reason for the UN is to get countries to put their energy into bullshit rather than war. The other half is the security council, which is also a little bullshit, but it’s at least somewhat connected to how things really work in the world.

                Not a single country you claim do more abuses than Israel has as much genocide statements and defend settler colonialism . The only person who was more as explicit was Hitler

                You should read up on what’s been going on in Ethiopia (member of the UN human rights commission). Or maybe you don’t think atrocities committed against black people matter? There were more deaths and more famine from that war than the Israel-Hamas war. And it looks like it could be heating up again. Are you going to protest a war in Africa? Nope, because the people there don’t have the social media presence that Iran has cultivated.

                Somalia is at least 8 times worse than what’s happening in Gaza. Do you care?

                Same goes for Syria. But Assad is gone now (because for some reason Hezbollah wasn’t able to back him up, wonder why?) so hopefully things can stabilize there.

                So you don’t care if half a million Africans die. You don’t even care if half a million Arabs die in Syria. You only care about Arabs in one particular region of the world. Why is that?

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                  Keep embarassing yourself with your genocide and settler colonialism apologism. Everybody expect you are lying according to you. Nobody has more extreme genocidal statements as israel leaders, the closest to it is nazi statements

                  I don’t you other conflicts as a deflection like you do, you do not care about a single conflict

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    You mean „kidnapping“ like the last time? When they were sent back home by plane? being intercepted is exactly what they want. This flotilla wants the world to look at them being stopped by Israel. They never expected to actually reach Gaza. They never intended to actually help suffering people in Gaza with food etc. This is an unnecessary publicity stunt.

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      Being intercepted in international waters, and by illegal blockades, kidnapping someone is not dependant on how long you keep that person locked up.

      Nobody is thinking they will solve the hunger (because we know how bad the situation is), they are, pressuring a fragile Nazi-esque government and it’s supporters to show their real motivations.

      Protests are breaking out all over as a reaction to our governments helping Israel illegally stopping a humanitarian fleet by sending gestapo freaks, they’re also making sure media and the public can’t just stop talking about it, i’d say their mission has been increasingly succesful every run of the last year.

      Honestly, you should probably stop being such a cynical asshole, it’s really fucking disgusting.

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      It’s kidnapping when they don’t have jurisdiction to seize ANYONE in that location, on those vessels. If I grab a random person off the street, force them into my car at gunpoint, make them watch two Toy Story movies of their choice, and then paid a taxi to bring them back to another city they’re not from, it’d be (the silliest) kidnapping.

      What are you doing to bring attention to the genocide? What messages have reached people around the globe written or orchestrated by your hand?

      Stop being a crab, pulling others down into the bucket. All efforts towards peace and humanity are good efforts.

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        Again: I think this flotilla helps the people that are part of it, with there helplessness concerning the dire situation in Gaza. It also helps everyone who wants to say: “Look! Israel is even more evil than we thought!“. Which helps antisemites who sometimes „by accident“ say „the Jews“ instead of „the IDF“ or „Netanjahus fascist government“.

        There are signs appearing on German shops again: „Jews(!) are not welcome here.“ There was a synagogue attacked in GB yesterday. Attacking Jews because of a fascist government in Israel is like beating up every guy called Vladimir because of Putins war on Ukraine. People are beaten because they wear a Star of David. That’s like beating people wearing green, because Hamas uses green headbands.

        What actually helps, is writing letters after letters (not emails) to your local representative, telling them in clear but polite words what you think. The rightwingers in Germany do it all the time and the public broadcasting bends over backwards to appear „balanced“.

        What may help is support the organisations that have at least to some degree access to Gaza and the West Bank.

        What’s not helping, is putting a handful of truckloads of aid on boats with some lesser known stars and sending them on a journey that had no chance of ever reaching their proclaimed goal.

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          Why are you shifting the blame from israel? Many of the antisemitism act are direct result of israel genocide. You should blame israel who try to associate antizionism to antisemitism

          I saw a video of gazan fishing ton of fish because israel intention was shifted to the flotillas

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            People who take part in these crimes are responsible for committing them. People who defend those crimes are guilty of defending them. No person is responsible for the crimes of the IDF and Israeli government just because this person is born in Israel or of Jewish descent.

            I don’t go beating up Germans with Russian grandparents, because Putin is trying to eradicate Ukraine. It’s not their fault.

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              You don’t get it. I do not justify it. I acknowledge that is it wrong and i also acknowledge the issue so we csn fine a solution to reduce hate crimes for everybody. Something that they don’t tell you is that both antisemitism and antimuslims increased because of the genocide in Gaza

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          So, everyone is just supposed to sit down and twiddle their thumbs while Israel finishes off the rest of the Palestinian population and steals their land, saying “Oh, bummer, but it was inevitable”?

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        Well Israel isn’t stopping random boats or arresting random people. They had announced their intentions clearly and have not reacted on orders to stop. Look up international maritime law on blockades.

        Israel can’t let people enter dangerous warzones. The actual aid organizations on the ground in Gaza coordinate with the IDF all the time to minimize danger. The flotilla maximizes danger to themselves on purpose.

        If someone threatens to commit a crime and doesn’t stop when asked, they can be arrested before the crime happens.

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          Minimize danger by shooting unarmed starving people? What a fuckin joke.

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          It’s not a crime to be in those water, it’s not their port to be policing, it’s not illegal for them to be in that area… Their blockade is not legal and is not recognized or needed. What, Hamas has some kind of fleet of amphibious vehicles we need to be worried about swarming the coasts? No, Israel has firm control over that port through occupation?

          The ‘actual aid organizations’ CAN’T GET THROUGH AND SAY ISRAEL IS PREVENTING THEM FROM SAVING LIVES AND ARE BEING FIRED UPON BY THE IDF…so, I don’t know man, it sounds like an illegal blockade for an illegal genocide to kill humans they deemed to be illegal by birth.

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                  There’s nothing to “nuance” here. Israel wants all the Gazan’s driven out, killed, or in what are effectively concentration camps. All the rest is Israeli Hasbara. This isn’t a failure of aid management. The shameful incompetence of the GHF is by design. Also FYI:

                  Olga Cherevko, from the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, provided further details about the looters to the Israeli media outlet Times of Israel: the vast majority of the looting was being carried out “by hungry Gazans, not by armed gangs”, the UN employee said.

                  And maybe you should read this to get some more clarity on the situation:

                  Unless INGOs submit to the full registration requirements, including the mandatory submission of details of private donors, complete Palestinian staff lists and other sensitive information about personnel for so-called “security” vetting to Israeli authorities, many could be forced to halt operations in Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and remove all international staff within 60 days. Some organizations have even been issued a seven-day ultimatum to provide Palestinian staff lists.

                  NGOs have made clear that sharing such data is unlawful (including under relevant data protection laws), unsafe, and incompatible with humanitarian principles. In the deadliest context for aid workers worldwide, where 98 percent of those humanitarians killed were Palestinian, NGOs have no guarantees that handing over such information would not put staff at further risk, or be used to advance the government of Israel’s stated military and political aims.

                  Today, INGOs’ fears have proven true: the registration system is now being used to further block aid and deny food and medicine in the midst of the worst-case scenario of famine.

                  “Since the full siege was imposed on March 2, CARE has not been able to deliver any of our $1.5 million worth of pre-positioned supplies into Gaza,” said Jolien Veldwijk, country director of CARE. “This includes critical shipments of food parcels, medical supplies, hygiene kits, dignity kits and maternal and infant care items. Our mandate is to save lives, but due to the registration restrictions civilians are being left without the food, medicine, and protection they urgently need.”

                  “Oxfam has over $2.5 million worth of goods that have been rejected from entering Gaza by Israel, especially WASH [water and sanitation] and hygiene items as well as food,” said Bushra Khalidi, Oxfam policy lead. “This registration process signals to INGOs that their ability to operate may come at the cost of their independence and ability to speak out.”

                  These restrictions are part of a broader strategy that includes the so-called “GHF” scheme – a militarized distribution mechanism promoted as a humanitarian solution. In reality, it is a deadly tool of control, with at least 859 Palestinians killed around “GHF” sites since it began operating.

                  “The militarized food distribution scheme has weaponized starvation and curated suffering. Distributions at GHF sites have resulted in extreme levels of violence and killings, primarily of young Palestinian men, but also of women and children, who have gone to the sites in the hope of receiving food,” according to Aitor Zabalgogeazkoa, Doctors Without Borders/ Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) emergency coordinator in Gaza.

                  Both the “GHF” scheme and the INGO registration process aim to block impartial aid, exclude Palestinian actors and replace trusted humanitarian organizations with mechanisms that serve political and military objectives. They come as the government of Israel escalates its military offensive and deepens its occupation in Gaza, making clear these measures are part of a broader strategy to entrench control and erase Palestinian presence.

                  “At this point, everyone knows what the correct, humane answer is, and it’s not a floating pier, airdrops or the “GHF.” The answer, to save lives, save humanity and save yourselves from complicity in engineered mass starvation, is to open all the borders, at all hours, to the thousands of trucks, millions of meals and medical supplies, ready and waiting nearby,” said Sean Carroll of Anera.

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              The other 85% of pallets were looted by “either peacefully by hungry people or forcefully by armed actors during transit,” according to the data. The Mirror has contacted the U.N. for additional information on the data. [my emphasis]

              So what proportion was “looted” by starving Palestinian civilians and what proportion was “looted” by Hamas? The article conveniently doesn’t say, probably because Israel conveniently claims everyone they shoot at is Hamas.

              Let me refer you to these (inconvenient for your narrative) follow up articles that debunk your claim:

              The reason Palestinians are starving and being killed in Gaza and the West Bank is because that is what Israel’s intention has been all along.

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              UN say aid is unsuficient and isrsel is comitting a genocide . They didn’t even arrest isrseli blocking aid and destroy it

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          The actual aid organizations on the ground in Gaza coordinate with the IDF all the time to minimize danger

          Ahyes, famously they have been very cooperative with aid organisations, so much so they set up they’re own (Gaza Holocaust Fiundation), which was totally not another front to slaughter even more people.

          Also, the danger is the israeli army, what fucking coordination? Please don’t murder our aid workers like you do every time?

          What are all these freakish zionists on fedi? Go dig a hole and crawl in it.

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      Bringing aid to dying children is an unnecessary publicity stunt? Where is your humanity and who took it away from you?

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      I’m curious, when people have bad takes like this and get flooded with downvotes, do they ever actually reassess their beliefs, or do they just dig in even more?