Watching Y’all make fun of people for being virgins or calling people virgins really hurts.

Posting here on an alt because my normal username can be linked to me in real life, but I post here daily. Most of you have probably upvoted my posts at one point or another. But yeah, I’m old, and I’m a virgin, and while it doesn’t bother me much anymore, it’s really bad praxis to call people virgins as an insult or to make fun of them for being virgins. Incels are bad not because they are virgins but because they just blame women for their cause. Make fun of them for their shitty beliefs, not because they are virgins.

I think for a lot of us we still hold on to the capitalist idea of success that has been handed to us. That we need to have money and a job and a partner and kids and all that to be seen as good. And that’s not possible for a lot of us. I know that’s not possible for me I’ve been unemployed for years at this point. So we make fun of them for believing in the system but still not having it. I think it’s right when people point out here that the things a lot of the alt-right are mad about are rightful things to be mad about. It’s just that they then blame them on the (((globalists))) and muslims and immigrants and SJWs when really it’s capitalism and actual rich people.

But seriously, that’s all I have to say. Please think before using virgin as an insult. It’s just a state of being, that of having not had sex, and every single one of you were a virgin at some point in time. Thanks for reading. I love all y’all anyway.

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    What was the objective of reposting this old copypasta from r/chapotraphouse? Do you disagree with the sentiment being shared or think the original poster and/or the topic of the post is worthy of ridicule?

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    I know it’s a joke post, but it’s uinronically so off-putting when people do this.

    I used to feel a lot of shame about being a virgin, and ended up rushing into a sexual relationship which I immediately regretted and felt horrible about, which I’ve realised is an extremely common experience, and kind of an inevitable consequence of virginity being seen as shameful.

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    virginity actually refreshes and stacks with bonuses if you know what you’re doing. i’ve got 5 stacked virginities and a 8% bonus to critical strike rate plus 25% crit damage. anyone virgin shaming is clearly just embarrassed they cannot commit to high-level play

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    the assumption behind using virgin as an insult is that having sex makes you a likeable person. anyone can have sex. terrible people frequently have sex

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      My formative sexual experiences have been so awkward and spiritually unfulfilling that you should have looked down on me for losing my virginity more than when I was a virgin. It’s neato-burrito to fuck, it’s a tool for bonding with a partner, but I’d never boast about it. It’s not an achievement, it’s not redefining anything, and it’s not cool.

      In fact, it wreaks havoc on my nerves because it’s a risk and trust thing. I spend time worrying that I’m not being adventurous enough, caring about their pleasure enough, that I have enough energy, and I make enough eye contact. I have a sinus infection right now and I’m anxious about whether they’re going to be disappointed that I’m not able to put out this weekend (which I talk with them about).

      When I was single, it transformed from looking at someone and thinking it would be cool to have them as a sexual partner to wondering if it would they would be worth the trouble of a sexual relationship because they’re cool enough otherwise.

      Virgin is 100x better than imposing yourself on someone when you’re not ready to communicate well. That sentiment, while non-sequitur to the rest of the post, lies at the heart of what I think.

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    This has long been a bugbear of mine tbh. The discourse is always so incredibly toxic, just reinforcing the same old shaming bullshit. It’s always ‘maybe if you washed, had better beliefs etc etc, someone would have sex with you’ which misses the point entirely.

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      I’m asexual and I just think people should do what they want. I think it is actually unfortunate for people who have held toxic views and then are actually unlikable as a person as a result. There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with allosexuals not having sex at 25 or 28 or whatever for whatever reason though.

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    I don’t think people should be insulted for being virgins as there is nothing wrong with being one.

    What I do think a lot of straight cis dudes need to realise is that obsession with constantly talking about virginity is off-putting for a lot of people. Particularly people who have been victims of sexual assault.

  • I watched a leftist cooks video essay that brought up the argument that (perhaps - Neilly makes clear she hasn’t fully resolved her thoughts on the matter) insults are inherently hierarchy reproducing. Insulting elon by calling him fat or ugly or autistic is going to reinforce the idea that those are negative things to be.

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      idk if inherently, but I think its worth the thought.

      Periodically, you see those askreddit threads “What is the most devestating insult you’ve ever seen?” and all the answers kinda dance around the fact that insults derive power from hierarchy (or, at least, personal contexts that aren’t replicable to OP’s situation).

      If a hexbear calls Elon Musk someone whose power has made them unable to have real connections and thus repeatedly shows off how socially needy he is on the platform he bought, that’s not really an insult and it certainly isn’t making its way to Musk, though hexbears who have bought Twitter and have so much social power may be insulted. idk

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    I know this is a joke post but I agree. Using virgin as an insult does reinforce toxic ideas of gender and sexuality and contributes to making virgins feel ashamed of themselves.

    There are plenty of reasons why people stay virgin. Some do it by choice, some have issues preventing them from being sexually active. Neither deserves derision.

    I once belonged to the last category due to mental health stuff. It sucked not being able to form that kind of relationships to other people and the toxic idea of virginity being shameful made it suck even more.

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    There are Hexbears making fun of people for being virgins? We have an entire ace community here, that seems really odd.

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    Ah yes, time for my depression to start kicking in yet again, reminding myself that I know full well that the likelyhood of me ever finding anyone that would ever tolerate me may as well be 0%…

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    Incels are bad not because they are virgins but because they just blame women for their cause. Make fun of them for their shitty beliefs, not because they are virgins.

    This was always the spirit of the term as a pejorative. Incel has mostly always been about bashing those you think are inferior in someway shape or form, not really about taking on mysogyny.

    Lots of dudes I know who aren’t incelibate, committing real, not imaginary acts of gendered and sexual violence while thought policing is given equal weight to putting these people behind bars.