• tornavish@lemmy.cafe
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            21 hours ago

            Why would I do that? We both know that you are just here to attack me, and no matter what sense I make your goal is to get dopamine.

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                    19 hours ago

                    I told you that I don’t want to communicate with you because you have no interest in comprehension. You have definitely made up your mind that you hate everything I say, and even if I do say something that you agree with… You will find a way to disagree… That’s just the person you are here.

                    I have no interest in you, or helping you understand.

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          1 day ago

          Part of the propaganda’s aim is to rob people of choices. Letting them think there is no hope is a key factor. The message overall is “this is the only way”, stamping out all other possibilities.

          I don’t have much hope, but seeing the propaganda machine going full force for the NYC election actually made me feel like the was a chance for change. If the results didn’t matter or were obvious, they wouldn’t have cared to meddle.

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            1 day ago

            Ahh I see. Thanks. My guess is he will never see office. I don’t know what they will do at this point, immigration thing or maybe just kill him. ~60 days is a long time from now.

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              22 hours ago

              Gosh, you are way more negative than me… fingers crossed that it doesn’t come to that

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                21 hours ago

                I’m not negative. My views are based on what the Republican Party has said and done. Expecting reality, even if it’s dark, doesn’t mean I’m negative.

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      Defeatism is not helpful. Oppose what’s happening, don’t appease the executive. Allow there to be some way to betterment before all you can do is say ‘there’s no hope’

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          Defeatism : an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat

          How is that helpful. The dictionary definition has nothing regarding pushing back

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            1 day ago

            That’s the word YOU choose to use, but “defeated” would only be true if we sit back and deny unpleasant truths.

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            1 day ago

            I think you are very confused and just hearing what you want to hear. Which is also what I think you’re doing with this image.

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                21 hours ago

                You are absolutely entitled to have your opinion, but as I said in the other comment, your goal is to be mean to me because you don’t like the way I think. Everything you say from here on out is specifically tailored to get that dopamine you desire

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                  20 hours ago

                  I don’t like the way you think because you make no sense. And I’m only being mean to you because you’re actively trying to be destructive. Get it straight.

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          Nobody ever managed anything by deciding up front it was impossible - that ensures defeat! If you’re not dead yet, it makes no sense to give up unless you choose to stay defeated? In which case OK, if it’s preferable to trying again? It sucks but you are allowed to lose all hope.

          It might be a silly question but are you depressed? It’s hard not to feel pretty depressed about the state of the world, and I make no judgement on someone for feeling depressed. I would be more surprised to meet someone not depressed at this point! It happens to most of us.

          Sorry to hear that you’ve lost any hope of having an impact yourself though, that would for sure feel pretty demoralising.

          I hope you won’t give up forever - you are needed!

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            21 hours ago

            Fine, get excited. Just know at this rate, fascism is inevitable. Be happy for yesterday… but by tomorrow you’ll need to focus on the road ahead.

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              I’ve known fascism was inevitable since I started studying it as a teenager in about 1994. It’s also why I know it will be beaten, and why even then it will still need to be fought again after that. Fascism has probably been around forever in some form, long before it had this name.

              You’re not convincing me with your combination of “there’s no hope” and “focus on the road ahead” though because it doesn’t seem like you believe in a road ahead?

              I’m focused on the road today, not on what I think isn’t possible or is too late to bother about.

              Fact is, you aren’t dead yet! So are you going to live it or spend your days trying to convince others to give up too?

              Your position makes no sense unless you have already given up and accepted defeat prematurely… which is basically enabling fascism by default.

              So now you know why fascism always gets a foothold! Kindly do something differently, then?

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                18 hours ago

                You’re right. I’ve already started the emigration process. I’m outa here. Good luck voting again!

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                  18 hours ago

                  I don’t live in the USA, but I have a lot of friends there so I watch with concern and try to support from afar. Good luck emigrating!

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                    18 hours ago

                    Oh I see. Your comments make much more sense now. I guess that’s like me talking about politics in another country…