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a group of 150 or so ARAS members, who had gathered from all over greece for this purpose, came early in the morning to the campus under the direction of their much older leader. they were coordinated, wearing armor under their matching jackets, helmets, and carrying clubs. as one of them began filming, the ARAS guys formed a tight linked-arm cordon around the 30 or so anarchists, kettling them, and began loudly (falsely) accusing the anarchists of having knives, molotovs, etc, to make sure the other gathered leftists around the campus could hear, and shouting “you will not squat.”
this is already bizarre behavior, uncharacteristic behavior, and to say the least inappropriate. then, the leader of ARAS shouted “helmets,” and the ARAS troops donned their protective helmets and mounted their attack on the unprepared and unarmed anarchist students.
at different times over the years here, anarchists and communists have clashed in the streets or at parties. i am on the anarchist side but i don’t like the “sports team” mindset some have about such things. every time it is a disgrace that it happens, but even according to those who’ve witnessed some of the worst, it has never been as vicious, one-sided and prolonged as happened this morning. sometimes the “clash” is a shoving match-- during a demonstration turned riot, some anarchists are fleeing a charging line of police and the communists link arms to block their way. then the communists stand back and let the police do beatings on the anarchists. this has not happened recently but used to be more common.
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MLs never understand why Greek anarchists have such visceral reaction against tankies. It’s a rough lesson learned many times.
It has nothing to do with a “sports team” mindset when authoritarian communist organize to brutally attack anarchists in a militarized fashion. Fuck all Maoists and Tankies and their dogmatism and orthodoxies.
Thry see communism as an excuse to have cops, not, as thry say, cops as a necessary cost of communism. Still wrong but I could be comrades with that person.
When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called “the People’s Stick.”
Yes but thwy may violently defend their right to be beaten w>th it.
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Oh the Zionazi is still active on this instance? Huh
Antideutsche sind übrigens immer noch keine Linken :p
Deutschsprachiges Lemmy leider zu voll mit Antideutschen
Deutsche politische Landschaft ist eh cooked bis zum geht nicht mehr…
True
You’re a genocidal fucking freak, what makes you think you’re in a position to criticize literally anyone
Eat shit and die, scum
Thanks for proving the point.
You’re seriously going to stand up for a fucking zionist?
This instance is a fucking joke
Los pacos de rojo, son los más peligrosos (Red cops are the most dangerous ones)
It’s a chant here in Chile…
Never trust an authcommie
“Why do anarchists distrust MLs? Left unity!”
Fucking bastards.
Are all ML’s Maoists now, Eugene?
No, Maoists are a different line of thinking that is inspired and influenced from Marxist-Leninism, which was a corruption of Marxism.
The point still stands, Maoists and Anarchists have different solutions to the same goal, and one is willing to bully and remove the other even before the revolution has started, let alone finished. And it’s not anarchists.
I have mild respect for Mao in parts, but Maoists and MLs are not the same. They will however gladly do anything to the people questioning the need of a transition state.
Edit: Also it’s rather telling that in the article about how Maoists are literally seriously injuring anarchists, your only issue is “erm actually, Maoists aren’t MLs, they’re MLMs” instead of anything meaningful, let alone a “hey that sucks, I don’t like that they’re hurting comrades.”
The anarchists were just going to be tabling to commemorate the anniversary of the polytekneio protest to the military junta of the 70s and then these authcommies armored up and beat them with clubs until they were concussed, unconscious, bloody, and needing stitches? While shouting “you will not squat?” What the fuck
Honestly, sounds more like a fash paramilitary at this point.
Nah, the authoritarians are acting like authoritarians? Unheard of. Next you’ll tell me they’ll do ideological purges, which is just “pledge your loyalty to our state and hope the next guy doesn’t kick you out.”
The only thing worse than an authcom is a nazi.
This is like saying the only thing worse than coke is cherry coke.
More like “worse than a coke is a mountain dew”
Both are completely different (two separate flavors/ideologies) but fundamentally the same (sugary soft drink/authoritarian ideology)
But this is just me being pedantic.
Nothing new under the sun.
I really wish more anarchists and lib left types in general understood that tankies are their enemy, instead of amplifying a lot of their more idiotic narratives. A lot of people do it without even realizing it, which is why I think anarchist spaces need to be extremely aggressive about keeping out red fash.
agreed. Auth is auth, Right or Left. they are jackboots.
Aras even made a statement, but I warn, it’s rage-bitey, lol: https://aras.gr/?p=1124
Didnt know aras were maoists
As some extra info, aras were eventually barred from the protests on 17th I think
@db0
Ah there it is, I lost the thread and endet up posting into the void (https://mastodon.acm.org/@nobody/115577237718198577)What’s the deal with “maoists”? The name in the wiki is just “anti-capitalist” and I didn’t find any details about their… opinions
Apparently, they aren’t Maoists but “Althusserian” - influenced by Louis Althusser, some French Marxist brainiac who murdered his own wife.
Being a Marxist-Lenninist or Maoist is one thing - but basing your politics on that of these almost universally creepy French academics from the 60s is downright cartoonish IMO.
@masquenox
That is… oddly specific for a group of people to agree on. People labeling themselves as MLs are easy to dismiss as “ok so you just don’t read” or “ok so you consumed thousands of tomes of Marxist commentary without even trying to make your own sense of it” because just the first label on the shelf. People calling themselves after a triple derivative marxist?I went through 2/3 of hir wiki page and honestly… ok wait I’ll look up that “prof. Preobrazhenski” video again
It’s a philosophy based on Mao writings. So it kinda inherits Marxism-Leninism, and can be classified as authoritarian communism too.
@Takapapatapaka
But is it their self-identification?Im by no mean a specialist, but from what i know they themselves identify as inheriting ML, and making it better or at least more fitting to China. I don’t know if they themselves identify as authoritarian communists, but they at least advocate for authoritarian methods.
They should all be arrested
I have a feeling this will be very contentious and since I’m not exactly informed nor very connected to the politics in Greece, I’m just going to look at the comments 24h from now lol to see what others think
