• undergroundoverground@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    You claim communism is impossible to implement yet you have no issue in attempting to implement a democracy that capitalism won’t be able to pervert, despite one never having existed before and it being impossible for one to exist.

    It sounds less like genuine rationality and more like rationalising a status quo bias. Even worse when people are claiming capitalism to be the natural order of life, despite existing for less than 0.0000001% of it and humans being egalitarian for far longer than they were capitalist.

    Peak homoeconomus experiencing “capitalist realism.” They even colonised your dreams.

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      Yes, capitalism as a formal economic system is recent but the behaviours it’s built on aren’t. Competition, territorial control, hoarding for security, unequal outcomes all of these exist across nature (including humans). Lions fight for dominance, trees compete for sunlight, squirrels hoard food. Resource competition is older than any ideology.

      Communism, on the other hand, assumes sustained large scale human cooperation without hierarchy, which has never existed stably either outside small tribes where scarcity was low and populations small. Scaling that to millions is where it collapses.

      I’m not defending status quo. I support regulated capitalism with social welfare (centre-left). Capitalism needs checks, not abolition. Meanwhile Communism needs human behaviour to fundamentally change.

      One system builds on instinct and incentives and the other demands we override them entirely.

      That’s the difference in feasibility.

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        No, you’re just rationalising sociopathy with thoroughly disproved social-Darwinism. Contrary to what people think, it was our sharing of resources that set us appart from our competitors, not competition within our species. That’s basic human evolutionary history.

        People had to be beaten, whipped, staved, dispossessed of their land and forced leave their egalitarian lives to endure capitalism, making it the opposite of human nature. You just don’t know the history of capitalism.

        Again, can you name one single country that hasn’t had its democracy utterly perverted by capitalism? We both know you can’t and that’s why you refuse to answer. Can you even name one check that hasn’t been perverted? As you can’t, why do you think any could magically work now?

        Believing it to be human instinct is just telling on yourself for you lack of empathy, believing everyone else has as little as you do.

        We were egalitarian for 10s of thousands of years. That’s real human nature whether you like it or not. Just because we happen to be ruled over by the most greedy and sociopathic people in society, it doesn’t make it our nature.

        You can’t name a time capitalism hasn’t perverted democracy and failed the 99% but think failing that way only applies to communism. Like I said, peak homo economicus experiencing capitalist realism. You fell for the first lie you were told and refuse to hold it to account.