• demerit@lemmygrad.ml
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    28 days ago

    Marvel movies are bad because they are afraid to “say anything” and reflect bourgeois values - not because they get pumped out en mass

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      27 days ago

      Marvel movies are bad because they are poorly written, poorly directed, poorly paced, and lack passion behind their creation - all of which are a consequence of their mass production to sell toys like everything else Disney does.

      You’re letting your politics influence your view of whether a work is good or bad; which is not a good idea. That’s quite literally textbook media illiteracy. By all means: hate Marvel movies for being inoffensive bourgeois propaganda. But that is an entirely separate discussion from their quality as works.

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        27 days ago

        You instantly lost me when you used the term “media illiteracy” which has been so misused it has lost all intellectual value and basically just devolved into “you dumb dumb doesnt like what I smarty smartpants like”.

        You know as Marxists who build their relations to the world on dialectical materialism, one would think that works of art are not divorced from the ideology of their creators - there is no objective anti-ideological vacuum where art can be discussed on a “pure” level and would give quantification about their objective quality. Ironically the marxists of today have adopted postmodernist new criticism as their intellectually beacon -> the very thing used to destroy the marxists in the west in the first place.

        Furthermore, you also have some deprogramming to do because what you said seems to indicate you view mass production as inherently inferior to artisanal handicraft, which is its own bourgeois - nay, even feudalistic elitist brainwormery. The whole slop vs true art discussion reeks of elitism via petty bourgeoisie thinking and hatred of the masses in the first place. Mind you, I enjoy artisanal work/low volume production of arts quite strongly as well. Also I hate Marvel movies for being OFFENSIVE bourgeois propaganda, they are offensive because of their successful marketing as “inoffensive”.