I started learning on that Shavian School website, but I’m having realllll trouble accepting “𐑦” instead of “𐑰” for words that end in “y”. In my accent that is definitely a long " ee" sound. I think the site uses “𐑨𐑥 𐑲 𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑦?” as an example, and for me that’s like unpronounceable lol
I didn’t use that resource, and when I started writing I used 𐑰 for words ending in “y”.
I agree with you, for me it seems like the better choice!Looking up the phonetics for happy the school seems to match, but I still agree with you. XD
Maybe I misunderstand the “𐑦” sound, but I thought it was only supposed to have one interpretation. And if doesn’t sound like happy.
Yeah like not at allll lol. I guess I didn’t think about like, obviously different accents would be a problem for an alphabet like this? But on the other hand, if everyone just spelled it their own way, that doesn’t seem like it’d be too hard to parse regardless
i’m continuing to look into this.
so, IPA lists i as such:
and that’s consistent with what we expect.
but then i don’t know what’s the difference with 𐑰.
Shavian site shows /ɪ/~/i/ for 𐑦, but those are two different sounds, the ‘ih’ and the ‘ii’ respectively.
so yeah, in order to disambiguate, i’d need 𐑦 to be either one or the other, but it can’t be both and can’t overlap with the sound for 𐑰.
so i’m still left in agreement, that i need to treat 𐑦 as /ɪ/ only.
sorry i keep repeating this, but it bothers me too. XD
edit and FINALLY, in QUIKSCRIPT, the revised version of Shavian, he specifies 𐑦 as ONLY /ɪ/, ‘ih.’ for me, that settles that! XD
so i’m still left in agreement, that i need to treat 𐑦 as /ɪ/ only.
I was going to try and play Devil’s advocate on this, but looking at the IPA example words you shared, I’d be inclined to write all those with 𐑰. That makes it hard to argue against this!
I wonder if there are any words pronounced with /i/ that would seem more natural with 𐑦 than 𐑰edit and FINALLY, in QUIKSCRIPT, the revised version of Shavian, he specifies 𐑦 as ONLY /ɪ/, ‘ih.’ for me, that settles that! XD
This is really interesting, it feels a bit like we’re retracing his steps here!
Yesss, by the person who like sorta invented all this, right?? That definitely cinches it for me too
yep! same guy!
exactly. in this case, uniformity isn’t goal, but accurate representation of what is being said.
@2910000 has a different accent from me and it comes across in his writing, but hasn’t stopped me from understanding. and i have fun reading things in his accent now. XD
Oh wow yeah, that’s actually really cool! As long as it’s not any harder to learn, that actually seems better than how we currently write. Everybody’s unique voice comes through!
I think I agree with you. The short i sounds like “ih” as in if to me, as opposed to a long “ii” as in eat.
I’m not using the school and just winging it. I say type it out as it sounds to you.
