I still value democracy, while recognizing that the US is a shitshow right now. The americans who support democracy are not in favor of what’s going on right now.
Throwing out democracy because it’s being destroyed by a fascist in america is akin to throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Democracy is the baby. It’s fragile and helpless on it’s own, and requires attention and active participation from adults in order to be nurtured and grow. Fascism is the pile of dog shit the baby got into when the adults left the room. The baby just needs a bath.
Fair enough. I just meant cause I’m (unfortunately) american, but I’m not going to stop extolling democracy just because fascists are destroying it here
No indeed, and you absolutely won’t hear me complain about it. I’m not religious, but if I had been I’d have said ‘bless you’. Instead, I’m just going to personally thank you for fighting the good fight. Keep it up! You’re one of the good ones.
Hopefully, one day we’ll be able to enjoy a nice BBQ together.
Ah, thank you. Honestly I’m already formulating an exit plan; if midterms aren’t administered fairly this year then all is lost.
Denmark is at the top of my list of places to try to live, but migrating permanently there seems like a challenge. I’m already studying Danish though, just in case.
We’d be fortunate to have you, I’m sure. Please feel free to DM me if you need help. Pronunciation - which is probably the hardest part - is going to be tricky to assist with, but I can certainly help with grammar and spelling. Don’t worry too much about pronunciation though - most Danes speak English perfectly well, and nobody is likely to hold relying on that against you until you can get up to speed.
Thanks! I appreciate that and I’ll keep that in mind. I’m using Babbel, which has native speaker recordings, so I definitely understand the challenge of pronunciation but I think I’m slowly getting it.
It only goes up to A2 though, so if I ever make it to Denmark I’ll have to use Prøve i Dansk and maybe attend a language school.
I’ll DM you if I have a question I can’t find an answer to!
It’s a pity that DR has restricted access to their content for international visitors. I’ve had a few British colleagues tying to learn Danish, and watching the news was a good way to get exposure to received pronunciation and a wide vocabulary.
Nevertheless, while I’m not always on Lemmy, whenever I’m around I’ll be happy to answer what questions I can.
I just had someone make one of those arguments. Because the west has liberal democracies, and they do a bunch of bullshit with israel, therefore liberal democracies are the problem, and seeing them fall to fascists, the same fascists doing the most of those things justifying their criticisms, is a good thing to them.
It fails reason but what argument doesn’t nowadays, just stupid tankie shit, they just want to make cheap points not help anyone.
The entire spirit of bickering about everything on the internet as if making some point or dunking on someone actually has some meaningful social value is exhausting regardless of the particular viewpoint being espoused. Like, yeah, if it’s dirt stupid and inherently destructive it’s worse, but I see the same sort of behavior from all sorts of different perspectives and none of it is good.
It’s almost impossible to have a good faith, rational debate on the internet. Logical validity and soundness go out the window the moment someone has to examine their biases and check whether their assumptions have been accurate.
Yeah, but I’m not sure “debate” in the sense the internet uses it has any relevance anyway. Debates in the formal sense are basically an academic sport, but what people on the internet do is basically just aggressively dribbling at people who have no interest in playing basketball.
Like, generally people on the internet just start trying to debate bystanders making casual comments or sharing their opinions who aren’t in it to prove anything. It’s kind of weird. Debating shouldn’t be assumed to be the default form of conversation, or even the default form of disagreement.
One doesn’t have to be a professional to play a sport. One shouldn’t have to be a professional to participate in a rational debate either.
Dribbling and dunking on an unwilling participant in the grocery store who’s just trying to do some shopping would be a douchebag move. But if you go to a basketball court and start engaging with the people dribbling, then they’re not being a douche when they dunk on you.
Internet forums are a public space where theoretically people can discuss whatever they want. If someone doesn’t want to participate in a discussion then they don’t have to, but they shouldn’t get upset when they see someone lay out a well-crafted treatise on the nature of toe beans. If they don’t want to debate, they don’t have to engage. That’s the freedom of the internet.
I think the problem are the trolls who don’t engage in good faith or rationally, and simply make disingenuous strawman arguments so they can insult people about scenarios that they’ve made up and projected onto the other person. That’s not what I mean when I say rational debate.
I still value democracy, while recognizing that the US is a shitshow right now. The americans who support democracy are not in favor of what’s going on right now.
Throwing out democracy because it’s being destroyed by a fascist in america is akin to throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Democracy is the baby. It’s fragile and helpless on it’s own, and requires attention and active participation from adults in order to be nurtured and grow. Fascism is the pile of dog shit the baby got into when the adults left the room. The baby just needs a bath.
Uh, agreed. I don’t believe I made the argument that we should do away with democracy. I certainly didn’t mean to.
Fair enough. I just meant cause I’m (unfortunately) american, but I’m not going to stop extolling democracy just because fascists are destroying it here
No indeed, and you absolutely won’t hear me complain about it. I’m not religious, but if I had been I’d have said ‘bless you’. Instead, I’m just going to personally thank you for fighting the good fight. Keep it up! You’re one of the good ones.
Hopefully, one day we’ll be able to enjoy a nice BBQ together.
Ah, thank you. Honestly I’m already formulating an exit plan; if midterms aren’t administered fairly this year then all is lost.
Denmark is at the top of my list of places to try to live, but migrating permanently there seems like a challenge. I’m already studying Danish though, just in case.
We’d be fortunate to have you, I’m sure. Please feel free to DM me if you need help. Pronunciation - which is probably the hardest part - is going to be tricky to assist with, but I can certainly help with grammar and spelling. Don’t worry too much about pronunciation though - most Danes speak English perfectly well, and nobody is likely to hold relying on that against you until you can get up to speed.
Thanks! I appreciate that and I’ll keep that in mind. I’m using Babbel, which has native speaker recordings, so I definitely understand the challenge of pronunciation but I think I’m slowly getting it.
It only goes up to A2 though, so if I ever make it to Denmark I’ll have to use Prøve i Dansk and maybe attend a language school.
I’ll DM you if I have a question I can’t find an answer to!
It’s a pity that DR has restricted access to their content for international visitors. I’ve had a few British colleagues tying to learn Danish, and watching the news was a good way to get exposure to received pronunciation and a wide vocabulary.
Nevertheless, while I’m not always on Lemmy, whenever I’m around I’ll be happy to answer what questions I can.
I just had someone make one of those arguments. Because the west has liberal democracies, and they do a bunch of bullshit with israel, therefore liberal democracies are the problem, and seeing them fall to fascists, the same fascists doing the most of those things justifying their criticisms, is a good thing to them.
It fails reason but what argument doesn’t nowadays, just stupid tankie shit, they just want to make cheap points not help anyone.
Tankies are so exhausting to deal with. In my view, they’re as bad as maga. The two really seem to feed off each other.
The entire spirit of bickering about everything on the internet as if making some point or dunking on someone actually has some meaningful social value is exhausting regardless of the particular viewpoint being espoused. Like, yeah, if it’s dirt stupid and inherently destructive it’s worse, but I see the same sort of behavior from all sorts of different perspectives and none of it is good.
It’s almost impossible to have a good faith, rational debate on the internet. Logical validity and soundness go out the window the moment someone has to examine their biases and check whether their assumptions have been accurate.
Yeah, but I’m not sure “debate” in the sense the internet uses it has any relevance anyway. Debates in the formal sense are basically an academic sport, but what people on the internet do is basically just aggressively dribbling at people who have no interest in playing basketball.
Like, generally people on the internet just start trying to debate bystanders making casual comments or sharing their opinions who aren’t in it to prove anything. It’s kind of weird. Debating shouldn’t be assumed to be the default form of conversation, or even the default form of disagreement.
One doesn’t have to be a professional to play a sport. One shouldn’t have to be a professional to participate in a rational debate either.
Dribbling and dunking on an unwilling participant in the grocery store who’s just trying to do some shopping would be a douchebag move. But if you go to a basketball court and start engaging with the people dribbling, then they’re not being a douche when they dunk on you.
Internet forums are a public space where theoretically people can discuss whatever they want. If someone doesn’t want to participate in a discussion then they don’t have to, but they shouldn’t get upset when they see someone lay out a well-crafted treatise on the nature of toe beans. If they don’t want to debate, they don’t have to engage. That’s the freedom of the internet.
I think the problem are the trolls who don’t engage in good faith or rationally, and simply make disingenuous strawman arguments so they can insult people about scenarios that they’ve made up and projected onto the other person. That’s not what I mean when I say rational debate.