It’s not hard to find videos of self-driving Teslas wilding in bus lanes. Check the videos out, then consider:

"There was an interesting side-note in Tesla’s last earnings call, where they explained the main challenge of releasing Full-Self Driving (supervised!) in China was a quirk of Chinese roads: the bus-only lanes.

Well, jeez, we have bus-only lanes here in Chicago, too. Like many other American metropolises… including Austin TX, where Tesla plans to rollout unsupervised autonomous vehicles in a matter of weeks…"

It’s one of those regional differences to driving that make a generalizable self-driving platform an exceedingly tough technical nut to crack… unless you’re willing to just plain ignore the local rules.

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    He claimed in the video he was using FSD, but then mainly used autopilot - which was one of the biggest issues people had with his video in the first place. Autopilot is not as good as FSD. We also saw FSD engaged for a brief second before disengaging (from what looked like him either turning the wheel or accelerating, or possibly because he activated it 2 seconds before he was about to manually drive through a wall and it realized it as soon as he turned it on).

    FSD doesn’t require a destination btw.

    Are you suggesting that Autopilot is inherently less safe than FSD?

    It’s not “less safe”, it’s far less advanced and serves a different purpose.

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      I genuinely don’t understand what FSD has to do with any of it. My car’s front collision sensor works regardless of whether cruise control is enabled.

      If I’m understanding your argument correctly, the driver needs to enable a setting first for a Tesla not to plow directly into a wall? I would say that makes it less safe.

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        Mark Rober drove a Tesla manually into the fake wall that he made specifically so he could promote his friends LiDAR company. He lied and said he had FSD enabled, then changed his story to say only autopilot was on when called out on his lies.

        What car do you have? Are you saying that just in normal everyday manual driving your car would stop your car automatically from 60mph and not hit a wall because of a collision sensor? Collision sensors are for slow moving things that are like 1m in front/behind you.

        I’m saying Rober lied, intentionally and deceptively so. FSD has everything to do with it because he said FSD drove him into the wall, but it wasn’t even enabled - he manually drove straight through the wall.

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          What car do you have?

          Volkswagen Group vehicle.

          Are you saying that just in normal everyday manual driving your car would stop your car automatically from 60mph and not hit a wall because of a collision sensor?

          My car’s AEBS will apply braking, shake the steering wheel, sound a loud alarm and flash the dashboard. I can’t say for sure if it applies full braking, or if that only applies at lower speeds.

          Collision sensors are for slow moving things that are like 1m in front/behind you.

          Perhaps I’ve not described the system accurately, because I’m not referring to parking sensors. My car’s owner’s manual states that AEBS works at speeds up to 220 km/h, and I’ve personally experienced it trigger while going over 120 km/h.

          My take on Rober’s video is simply that Tesla’s automated driver safety systems are sub-par compared to other manufacturers. Perhaps somebody could perform another test with FSD enabled, but I personally don’t think it’s safe to require a driver to first enable a specific mode in order to avoid an accident—then they might as well just press the brakes themselves.

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            I’m not aware of any cars that will use radar, cameras, or lidar all the time and automatically stop your car to a complete standstill while you’re manually operating it. Yours does this? It physically won’t let you run into something, ever?

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              Yes, it does. It performs speed sign recognition and lane departure warning continuously as well, but will only perform steering correction above a minimum speed (I believe 50 kmh) and adjust the speed while adaptive cruise control is switched on.