I have been banned from unpopularopinion for exposing person defending genocide and use of human shields by IDF.

One of the users in unpopularopinion thread was complaining about someone calling him a “fascist”

https://feddit.uk/comment/17531487

In response I did paste a screenshot of his comment claiming IDF are not using human shields, it is Hamas who do that:

https://feddit.uk/comment/17529782

… And the mod of unpopularopinion banned me. I can only guess he is a another genocide apologist.

  • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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    If you still want to continue the conversation, I’d much rather focus on one or two specific claims you feel most strongly about.

    Then I’ll focus specifically on sealioning. This instance is heavily politicised (and that’s good), so plenty people here can discuss IDF, Hamas, the ongoing Nakba etc. better than I do.

    This [sealioning] I don’t agree with, and your definition of it seems somewhat strange - especially the part about distorting what others say

    Those bullet points are just examples of sea lion behaviour. The common elements between all of them is that 1) they aren’t valid argumentation, and 2) they force the “sealioned” to provide pointless explanations, until they lose their patience; and distorting what others say is a way to do it.

    which I don’t admit to either.

    You might have done it either “accidentally” or “on purpose”, but your claim does distort what I said. Because, again, it is not about disagreeing on definitions; it’s that it was obvious why people were calling you fascist, even if your comment shows bewilderment about it.

    Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. - Wikipedia

    Wikipedia itself lists multiple definitions. The core is the same, and shared with the definition I’ve provided.

    Saying “I don’t understand” isn’t sealioning if I genuinely don’t understand.

    It’s a red flag, you know? On itself it might not be enough to say “this is a sealion with 100% chance” but, together with other red flags, you can pretty much spot a sealion with damn good accuracy.

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      Are you referring to your accusation of hypocrisy and me then talking about the definition of the term “human shield” - even though that’s not what you meant? Because if so, that wasn’t me intentionally misrepresenting what you said, but rather me genuinely not understanding what I was being accused of and trying to respond anyway, hoping that somewhere in my word salad you might find an answer to it.

      What I could’ve done instead was keep asking you to be more specific - but then that could’ve just been interpreted as more sealioning (i.e., demanding pointless explanations). Was that the only example of me doing this, or were there others? I honestly struggle to give you a broad explanation here, but I can definitely explain my reasoning behind individual replies I’ve made to people in these threads.

      As for people calling me a fascist - like I said earlier, that had nothing to do with what I’ve said about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. I’m not sure anyone called me a fascist for that - not even Felix, at least not explicitly. He was just pointing out what he saw as the absurdity of me wondering why people call me that, while (in his view) I was expressing clearly fascist views.

      The implicit accusations of fascism came in a thread I made a while back where I was asking about a heavily moderated discussion community - one where mean-spirited, hostile replies wouldn’t be tolerated. People interpreted that as me advocating for “free speech absolutism,” as if I wanted a space like Twitter where anything goes and people get banned for pushing back. But that clearly wasn’t what I was asking for.

      That thread got a lot of people suspicious about my motives, asking what kind of topics I’d want to discuss there, and claiming that a space like that would inevitably become a breeding ground for fascism and pedofilia. So it’s not that people directly called me a fascist - but in my view, it was heavily implied in how I was treated.