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    If you choose to use a different definition of a common word than everyone else,

    This is the first definition from Cambridge dictionary. I don’t see how my definition differs significantly.

    the activities of the government, members of law-making organizations, or people who try to influence the way a country is governed:

    “Politics” as a negatively loaded word is also a conservative dogwhistle

    Perhaps in the US. I would remind you that you’re on a global website. Most of us use politics to mean, well, politics, not whatever conservative bullshit is going on.

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      Wikipedia says:  
      the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals  
      
      Merriam-Webster (My personal favourite) says:  
      competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government)  
      and:  
      the total complex of relations between people living in society  
      
      Collins says:  
      the actions or activities concerned with achieving and using power in a country or society.  
      and:  
      the ways that power is shared in an organization and the ways it is affected by personal relationships between people who work together  
      

      So, anything having to do with power or decision making within a group of people is politics. When you and your mates decide which takeout place to order from, the decision follows a political process. When your parents told you it was bed time, they used political power. When you come to trust someone’s opinion in guiding your personal decisions (like whether you should really include the chapter on bird mating calls in your work in progress fantasy novel), you’re engaging in politics.

      Politics is all around us. It’s ridiculous to have a negative opinion of it. If there were no politics, there would be no societies, no families, no friendships, and no romantic relationships, because there would exist not a single mechanism for any group to have unified purpose or choice.

      Unless you misdefine politics. That’s the trick. And it’s a very easy trick, you can do it without noticing. All you have to do is think in the back of your mind “politics is anything I disagree with”.

      Boom. So long as you have the rhetorical skill or the social power to defend this assertion, you can take advantage of the propaganda of the ruling class for your own ends, and attack any goddamned idea in the world you want. You have an intrinsic claim to legitimacy in proportion with your ability to normalise your own opinions, and anyone who disagrees with you is committing “violence”. You have a terrible and destructive power to silence any and all dissent. What you say will go. Nobody can stop you.

      What I have described just now is the worst extent of the power of belief in apolitics. Most people who believe in apolitics won’t act this way… if you don’t push them. If you keep agreeing with what they say in a vague sense, or phrase your disagreements charismatically, they won’t use this power. But it’s still there. And there is no sense at all in leaving around terrible powers that reinforce hierarchies of norms. Especially not if you are queer, neurodivergent, disabled, of colour, otherkin, or anything else that goes against the status quo. Because in a battle to attack the political, that which can claim legitimacy through normalcy will always win.

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      I’m people who try to influence the way a country is governed. I’m a political activist. In fact, if you vote, you’re people who try to influence the way a country is governed too. So everything you and I do is politics, and the term has very little meaning.

      But that definition is kind of bad, I much prefer the various other definitions I analysed on My blog. I could make the same arguments over again, but I don’t want to.

      TL;DR: Everything is political.

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        Also at this point, it’s very clear that we’ve devolved into an argument about semantics, as I asserted a few comments ago. While I disagree strongly with your definition, I see no chance either of us will be changing each other’s mind and I have no interest in trying.

        All I ask is you stop misrepresenting the community when it’s very clear that we’re talking about different things. I hope at some point you’ll see the value of having safe spaces for people, whether or not you need it yourself.

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          I do value safe spaces. For example, MULTIVERSE is a safe space for minorities such as otherkin, and I am currently having an internal debate over whether the users here should have to see your apoliticism. Your political ideology is something we consider dangerous and do not want to see. So I am weighing the cost-benefit of allowing the users on this website including Myself to rebutt your political viewpoint against the cognitive burden of feeling a responsibility to do so.

          Obviously there would not be any issue if you simply avoided expressing your apoliticist politics.

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            Oh gods, the irony.

            I’m stepping away from the conversation now. Thanks for keeping the conversation civil, even if we disagree.

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              Yes, that irony was on purpose. I know you won’t reply, but I’ll explain. You want a space free from politics, where your political viewpoint is enforced. That’s hypocrisy. We want a political space for our ideology, where our political viewpoint is enforced. That’s logical and consistent. What I’m saying is, what you want is impossible, because you broke your own rules. You’re already on our side of this debate, you’re just struggling against yourself and hurting your own aims. And I hope one day you get on the same page as yourself.

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        Your article is based on a false dichotomy to begin with, that politics is either ‘all human interaction’, or ‘stuff I disagree with’. You miss the common definition that most of the world operates by, where politics relates to stuff related to governance.

        When your parents told you it was bed time, they used political power.

        By your definition perhaps. Most of us disagree.

        Everything is political.

        No, you’ve changed and diluted the word to the point it’s meaningless and taken away a term that’s actually useful. You want to redefine it for yourself, sure. But stop acting as if everybody else agrees with (or is even aware of the existence of) your definition.

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          The nature of our society is that we are always actively participating in governance of the social groups in which we participate. The common definition is My definition. Even at this very moment, we are arguing over how to govern your community, and you are through well-intentioned carelessness poorly governing My identity, by accidentally misgendering Me. Our every action is political. I ask that you be aware of this fact, rather than retreating from responsibility.