I’ve gotten a bit tired of Nextcloud as of late an I’m curious it is a viable alternative. I like having Nextcloud Talk but I can live without it.
Owncloud seems to be pretty much over IIRC.
The company behind it got bought be some american company in 2023, that promised that everything will “stay as open as it is” - you won’t believe what happened next ;)
Then recently many of the developers left to join OpenCloud, which seems to be a fork of owncloud, lead by a german open source veteran.
NextCloud already forked from owncloud?
Well, yes, but…
nextcloud forked owncloud back when there was only the php codebase.
opencloud forked owncloud ocis, which is a rewrite in go.
So while both forked “owncloud”, or “something named owncloud”, i doubt they’ll have any code in common.
In the beginning, there was ownCloud. They were a good FLOSS offering that decided to start catering solely to corporate customers in the hopes of juicy support contracts. The community who had been contributing the majority of the code gave them a mighty “Fork you” and created NextCloud.
That was about ten years ago. I haven’t looked into ownCloud for the last seven or so, but it had stagnated pretty badly by that point. Maybe they’ve gotten some fresh blood since then, but you’ll likely find it to be quite lacking in features and plugins comparatively.
Nextcloud is the improvement.
Yep. I like next cloud much better.
Yeah I just need to clean up my install so it isn’t so bogged down.
You running it on bare metal? Much better that way vs docker in my experience
I’ve been using a docker stack for Nextcloud for years without issues, after switching to postgres it also got a lot faster
Yeah I’ve heard this from a few people with similar setups, Postgres does seem to alleviate a lot of the performance bottleneck from running virtualized for whatever reason.
I have yet to install it, but I plan to run it “baremetal” in a Debian VM, would that be better than in a docker, or do I actually need to run it baremetal, in parallel/ on a different system than proxmox? (Or it’s own LXC container)
From personal experience, Docker is fine. Just be sure to use postgres instead of the default mariadb and you’re golden
I’m honestly not sure, you’re discussing a few corner cases that I haven’t tried out personally. I think you’d just have to do your own testing to see. I suspect the more layers of abstraction, the more they could potentially slow you down, but can’t say if it would be experienced the same way some of us who ran in docker had observed.
Proxmox is quite powerful, if you get it setup and running smoothly it would be awesome to hear back about how you did it!
Be aware there are basically two different things called Owncloud. There’s still the original php version, which is similar to nextcloud but worse (not open source, smaller plugin ecosystem I think)
On the other hand is owncloud “infinite scale” (or ocis). This is the thing entirely written in go. But as others have pointed out, it’s little more than a file server at this point.
IMO the self-hosting community is really missing a self-contained “all the DAVs” server (files, calendar, contacts). Baikal etc seem like a great start, but it would be great to have somewhere to get those parts pre-assembled. Until then, nextcloud works for me.
