• mojo_raisin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    2 years ago

    Anti-anarchist pretty much think

    • Anarchy = chaos

    This is heavily promoted by mainstream media and language

    • Anarchists are pacifist

    Many people seem unable to comprehend how a community might defend itself without a standing military and so assume we must be unwilling to defend ourselves.

    • Nothing can be accomplished without coercion

    Because most of us have grown up within strict hierarchies coerced to do things we don’t want, we have trouble imagining any other way.

    • Everyone is inherently a selfish asshole

    This is probably projection in most cases

    • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
      01·
      2 years ago

      The state (could and idealistically) be the will of the people via proper democratic systems. It’s just that right now most aren’t that democratic, and unelected corporations have too much influence. (So under capitalism, I do think actual democracy isn’t super meaningful)

      I think if you want to have a functional civilisation (rather than just small communes, which with today’s population is a pipe-dream) you need some kind of taxes, and now we’ve already arrived back at needing a state.

      Collective spending is required for a civilisation, end of story. Anarchy is never going to build continent spanning infrastructure, ever.

      Someone trying to accumulate wealth or power is going to ruin it for you. Sold you food with lead in it? Okay, what are ya gonna do about it? At a small, community scale this is easy, at civilisation scale, forget about it. You need some court system.

      If you want to go live in a commune, be my guest, that’s the only place anarchy can work.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      Don’t know is EC has that signed in the image tbh. I just crossposted in this case.

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    2 years ago

    As much as I abhor the state and wish we live like the state of Cheran (ironic of me to say state in this case, I know), anarchy will only work in a very small group, where everyone knows each other, are like-minded enough to not abuse each other’s goodwill, and respect each other’s personal boundaries.

      • Gabu@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        And then what stops one small group from slowly becoming a giant group again?

            • onoira [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              2 years ago

              the same ‘literally nothing’ that currently stops us from ending starvation, poverty, homelessness, war…

              people and ideology create the institutions which (re)produce and enforce a status quo. this is not inherently bad, and it would not be significantly different under any other ‘system’. we are all the state so long as we do nothing different.

    • BoxOfFeet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      Yeah, that’s not my favorite. I don’t really want to rely on people or be part of a close community like that. And I really like having personal property. I probably contribute the bare minimum to society outside of my taxes. Not part of any organizations, don’t give to charity. Definitely don’t give to the homeless. Don’t volunteer. I just want to work and come home to my house with my family and all my stuff. I’d make a terrible anarchist.

  • Reddfugee42@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    If Putin’s and Bezos didn’t arise in every society, you wouldn’t need a government.

    But they always do.