Obama Immigrant Detention Policies Under Fire

the Los Angeles-based Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law and Obama administration officials have just a few days left to settle a lawsuit challenging the detention facilities for more than 2,000 women with children, who came here during last summer’s border surge. The families are being held in detention centers in Texas and Pennsylvania. A federal judge in Los Angeles issued a preliminary ruling finding that the administration is violating an 18-year-old court settlement, Flores v. Meese. The settlement requires the government to house migrant children in “the least restrictive environment” or release them to relatives. The judge gave federal officials and the Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law time to reach an agreement on how to implement her ruling before she makes it final.

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        6 days ago

        Deport ppl? Why do you think that’s a secret?

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          I don’t think it’s a secret, just say you think people who have committed no crimes should be held in a cage for weeks to months before shipping them out to someplace they were trying to get away from

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            I don’t think they’re shy about it

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            I have no problem with illegal citizens being deported. I had to wait over a year and spend thousands of dollars to get my wife here legally. Should it be easier and less expensive? Yes. But should people also have to do it legally? Yes

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              I do have a problem with deportations because they are historically illiterate (migratory work was a regular thing for centuries), financially illiterate (how much fucking money are we spending on all this again?), and inhumane (vast majority of these people weren’t causing problems, + look at how any of these camps are run). This is including when Hope and Change was doing it. The concept of an illegal person is the Private Prison Industry’s wet dream. Don’t fall for it.

              The law has failed people here, so I think discussing the matters in terms of legality is also a failure. I’m glad you were able to get your wife over here without drawing the ire of the authorities, but damn if this doesn’t echo the “fuck you got mine” rhetoric on so many issues in this country including housing, education, and healthcare. You politely disagree with the rules yet can’t help but tut-tut those who don’t follow them, whether it be out of principle or necessity.

              Bad rules are meant to be abolished; immoral laws are meant to be civilly disobeyed.

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            Si you can’t see the difference between getting your brains blown out and dying from an illness, cool cool.

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              And being purposely allowed to die from illness. No I don’t. Refusing life-saving care and murdering them is the same thing. It’s fucking horrendous that you neo-libs don’t understand that. Of course you people do allow a lot of people to die on purpose don’t you?

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                Negligence doesn’t mean it’s on purpose. This is why there’s multiple degrees of murder charges and manslaughter, negligent homicide etc.

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              Is that better??? Once someone is in custody it’s directly the responsibility of the state to ensure their well-being. To allow people to die in the camps from bad conditions is just as inexcusable as killing people in the streets. One is just a little more out of sight than the other.

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                Yes, executing someone in cold blood is worse than having poorly designed medical attention.

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                  Are you familiar with the concept of social murder? Because we have an awful lot of that in the US but it gets kindly ignored because it’s just a result of the system functioning the way it does.

                  I guess if they just disappeared Renee and Alex and kept them in a box where they slowly died over the course of months, it would be preferable. As long as there was paperwork filled out and it had a big official red stamp, and Congress passed a law saying it was ok to arrest them for illegally observing federal agents, it’s fine! This way, nobody would be directly pulling the trigger, and their deaths would be the result of systemic failures that nobody could have seen coming.