• cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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    I think even without false flag operations it would be difficult to keep Baltics within the USSR for long, from what I know they were the only ones where significant part of the population hated USSR and never accepted it.

    I don’t think so. There was and still is a significant Russian speaking portion of the population in the Baltics, and a lot of support for the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution came from the Baltics. The extreme anti-Soviet attitudes you would have encountered in the 80s were not as prevalent earlier on. The problem is that the anti-Soviet propaganda, first by the Nazis and later by the West, started much earlier in the Baltics. The largely autonomous governments of the Baltic republics were very lax in combating western infiltration and nationalist subversion, while Moscow never paid much attention, or, in the case of the treasonous Gorbachev clique, deliberately ignored the problem. This was a general problem that went further than just the Baltics, in that insufficient attention was paid across the USSR to ideological education and establishing a Soviet national identity. The problem of the Baltics is that just like western Ukraine they were exposed to the brunt of western infiltration and agitation during the cold war, along with having a history of Nazi collaboration.

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      a history of Nazi collaboration

      To anyone interested, I came across this while studying: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aili_J%C3%B5gi

      It’s about a woman who blew up a Soviet monument in 1946. Turns out she later had an interesting life story which ties into modern anti-Russian sentiment.

      I suspect the Werwolf plan (nazi resistance during and after the final years of the 3rd Reich) tied into Operation Gladio as well.

      Also, reflection on Uncle Stalin during WW2. When your country is literally surrounded by fascists and nazi collaborators, wtf are you supposed to do? Modern Euros conveniently forget that practically every government was fash around 1940 and therefore all antifa resistance was legitimate. Hell, Germany invading Poland is a nazi dictatorship attacking a military/fashy dictatorship. Since we had Franco in Spain, I don’t have to put 2 and 2 together to know how “barracks democracy” works. Ffs, Poland even had Falanga, a copy of Falange. And of course it is now a crime to remind modern Poles on the anti-semitic crimes committed by Poles.

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        I followed the link and read that they call liberation of Estonia from the Nazi occupation a “Soviet re-occupation” in Wikipedia. This is a disgrace.

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          Oh yes, nothing surprising from Jimmy Wales, who thinks capitalism is bad but communism is worse. Both-siding but punching left harder than right.

          Although I’m surprised about the gulags article. According to that, only 8.8% of inmates lost their lives (2.5 M out of 18 M). Looks like nobody takes Stéphane Courtois (The Black Book of Communism) seriously anymore.

          For reference, between 60 and 90% of concentration camp inmates were murdered by nazis. Gulags were meant to re-educate, not kill, but abuses took place. Nazi camps were meant to exterminate.