How am I in a magical fairy land?

You are mistaken. I am not defending my “silliness”. I am attacking your bad arguments. Now your turning tail while also trying to paint me in a bad light. That is cool, and you’re entitled to do that. None of this matters after all. If you do want to stick around then I am game for a discussion.

I feel like you’ve missed something along the way which I will try to spell out here: I never said that cookies were better than coffee.

Here is a paraphrased summary of the discussion so far:
Me - Opining that glorifying coffee to children isn’t any better than glorifying cookies.
You - Claiming that coffee is essentially a health drink and cookies are junk food.
Me - Calling your argument disingenuous because it compares the best-case coffee to the worst-case cookies.
You - Restating that coffee is healthy and all cookies are unhealthy, save for an imaginary disgusting cookie.
Me - Restating my initial argument and listing my issues with your arguments so far.
You - An attempt to insult me maybe, and also an attempted (or successful) getaway?

And now we’re here. Ever since your first comment I’ve been trying to have a discussion about your blanket claims that coffee is healthy and cookies are unhealthy. I’m not trying to say cookies are better than coffee, or coffee is worse than cookies. I’ve been trying to convey to you that I find your blanket statement to be a bad argument.

You never clarified what type of coffee beverage you were referring to as a health drink. Based on the context I’ve been assuming just a straight black coffee or espresso. Please correct me if I’m wrong on that. When it comes to cookies though you’ve been exclusively referencing junk food cookies high in processed sugar. Yes, I agree that a black coffee is going to be less detrimental to your health than a serving of Oreos. But if those are your only points of comparison then it is an unfair comparison to make. I can easily go the other way and compare a serving of homemade low/no sugar whole-wheat oatmeal raisin cookies to a Starbucks iced latte or Tim Horton’s double-double. Does that make coffee the villain? No. Both arguments are bad because they skew the reference samples to fit the narrative that the arguer is trying to push.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I think comparing only junk food cookies to a specific preparation method of coffee is a bad comparison. Using that comparison as the basis of your argument only weakens your stance. Throwing in a straw man and some vague ad hominem only weakens your stance further.

You don’t have to respond to this if you don’t want to. You can live your best life and take from this discussion what you will, I can’t stop you nor do I want to. I sure would like to clear up some misunderstandings here, but it is what it is.

Edit: Some light formatting.

Not totally sure what you’re on about in para #1

I will attempt again. You said coffee is essentially a health drink, and better by every metric you can think of. The problem I have is you are comparing coffee that is specifically without “a bunch of refined sugar and heavy creme” to “cookies which are literal junk food by their processed sugar, processed flour, and whatever else”. You’ve picked the best version of coffee and the worst version of cookies. That is not a fair comparison, and why I thought your first comment was disingenuous. That is what I was saying in paragraph 1 of my above comment.

Maybe “healthy” in terms of mindset, but in actual practice? Almost always a highly-refined food with little health benefit.

This is a wild assumption that you have made up, and you have once again cherry-picked a bad example of cookies and used it as a stand-in for all cookies. I said cookie recipes, as in you’re making them at home. You can put refined sugar in if you want, or keep it out if you want. It is up to whoever is making them, and there are plenty of healthy recipe options.

you could make a ‘cookie’ out of compressed, unrefined plant matter and quality-protein material that would taste not unlike fish food

This is textbook straw manning yo. You’ve conjured up a weak argument out of thin air and attacked that as if I’ve been advocating for your fish food cookies. Do better.

Anyway, if you’re still in doubt, here’s a good index to a bunch of modern studies

I’ve literally never refuted any health benefits about coffee in any of these comments. I’m saying the issues you have with cookies also apply to coffee drinks. You’ve simply ignored the fact that many people consume unhealthy coffee beverages because that doesn’t fit your argument.

Coffee-pilled out here defending the brew (/s just in case).

I find your claim that coffee is essentially a health drink a bit disingenuous. The bean water itself can have some benefits, sure, but as you’ve admitted the healthiness comes down to preparation. Comparing a hyper-specific set of one argument to a broad spectrum of the opposing idea isn’t exactly fair play. Especially considering Sesame Street aged coffee drinkers probably wouldn’t be taking it black.

You can 100% find healthy cookie recipes, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say cookies are a health snack. I’m willing to bet that most cookies being consumed in North America are high in sugar. I am also willing to bet that most coffee beverages being consumed in North America are high in sugar. So I still don’t think glorifying coffee is any better.

He’s got the good mods

Is Sesame Street confusing to you now? It’s a show for kids. Kids like cookies, he likes cookies. Sugar has its downsides, but I don’t think glorifying coffee is better by any metric.

I was coming to say the same, lol.

Is that because she started charging for access?

For fun: Count the fingers on each hand in each panel.

$3.99 USD per gallon is about $1.43 CAD per litre. I weep, lol. I’m paying $1.96 CAD per litre (about $5.41 USD per gallon). I’m in Alberta, we grow it here. That’s relatively cheap compared to some other provinces 😭

Edit: Don’t take those numbers as gospel. I’m scrolling on the can, so it may not be my best math.

I believe I’ve been misunderstood. I don’t think they’re extremists in a political sense or anything. I think their stance on the harness discussion is on the extreme end of things. Many of the arguments were “Your dog must wear a collar or harness 24/7 or you are an irresponsible owner”, and they left no room for alternative views. That falls under the definition of extremism in my books.

dogs above 40 lbs must be in a harness and wear a collar at all times when out in public

I agree 100% with that practice. In my opinion the only time dogs should ever be off their leash in public is when they are in designated off-leash areas. When I have my dog in off-leash areas I leave his harness (with contact info) on too. We weren’t talking about dogs outside though. It was mainly about dogs whether dogs should be required to wear their collar/harness inside the home.

Anybody who said they took their dogs collar/harness off would face the wrath of the “you’re an irresponsible owner” crowd. No counter arguments would be considered either. One user made the outlandish argument that an apartment dog could escape into a common hallway, get into the fire stairs through a propped-open door, go down 5 stories, open the emergency exit via a crash bar, and get outside. To me that is an absurd scenario to use for an argument, and definitely something that only a person with extreme views on the topic would stand behind.

Lol, you’re so desperate for your narrative to fit.

I also live in a condo. Something like 80% of the people in my building are pet owners, and pretty much everyone is a friend to animals. We don’t leave doors propped open. There is the slightest of chances that all three doors between my dog and the outside fail, nobody is around to stop him, and he suddenly develops a lust for adventure. That, however, is an incredibly unreasonable situation. If I was worried about something that unlikely then I would probably also have agoraphobia or something. There’s no way on earth I’d use a vending machine, that’s for sure. Those things can kill you!

There is an acceptable level of risk for everything. If we only engaged in 0-risk activities then we wouldn’t ride in automobiles, own kitchen knives, shower, or even eat. I think the most responsible thing people can do is assess their own risk and act accordingly. There is effectively a 0% chance my dog is able to reach the outside without supervision, so I have decided to not leave his harness on 24/7. Your circumstances may be different, and I respect that. I’m not going to try to shame you into my way of life. Because that would be silly.

I now have more time to write stuff out, so I’m going to expand on my earlier comment. Also I want you to get another ping on this so you can see how silly I think you are.

if you’re not being responsible for your pet, that usually translates to other parts of your life too

If you cannot see how bonkers that statement is then you gotta take a class or something. Trying to cast judgment upon someone’s entire life based on one attribute is puritanical and a bit totalitarian.

I don’t know if anyone ever told you, but your singular idea of “responsible” is not universal. Different places on earth have different circumstances and therefore different laws/rules/practices around many things, pet ownership included. This is the internet. Sometimes called “The World Wide Web” (emphasis on World). There is a chance people in this thread are not in your local area. Don’t try to foist your ideals onto others like some sort of colonist.

I haven’t seen anyone advocating for bobbing tails, cropping ears, or breeding pug-like features. This collar “issue” y’all are getting so worked up on is incredibly minor. My unsolicited advice is for you to chill out and let other people decide for themselves what they think is best for their own dogs in their own homes.

P.S. If anyone sees an animal in actual duress (chained outside without food/water/shelter, physically abused, etc.) then please reach out to your local animal enforcement department (if available) and make a report. Arguing on the internet doesn’t fix anything.

Lol, wanna read my palm too?

There’s a cadre of crazies in this thread. I don’t think they’re open to rational thought, lol. Just a bunch of collar/harness extremists who think they know what’s best for all dogs in every situation.

It’s so cool how you can see all possible futures for every dog on earth. Dogtor Strange in the house. I am writhing with envy over here. In the off chance that you cannot do that, however, how’s about you step off and mind your own business?

You know there are real problems in the world, right? Like, issues that are actually affecting people? Do you write to your political representative with this much verve?

P.S. “I have to correct what I see as moral missteps of on-line strangers” is a silly stance.

Yo these people are weirdos for putting you on blast for no reason. I also take my dog’s harness off inside the house. If I leave it on him his fur gets matted to heck, and if it’s any looser he can slip out. Let these pearl-clutching “won’t anyone think of the puppies” people live in their own little fantasy world of escape artist dogs and dog stealing burglars. You don’t gotta justify yourself.

Edit: Lol, responded to the wrong post cause I just woke up.

Teeth? Do you mean Luxury Bones™?

Edmonton is in Canada, so that is covered 👍