What, did a sex tape of the royals get leaked?

I doubt any of the places across the country that have done the same will actually prevent ICE from setting up in whatever area they want.

It won’t. ICE is legally able to enter any public space in the performance of their duties and a public park certainly qualifies as a “public space” no matter what the sign says.

Where in the bill does it say that?

I appreciate that you provided a link to the bill in your previous comment and I’m taking my response directly from there. Here’s a quote of the first sentence of the bill summary.

"The bill requires a developer to request an age signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the developer’s application is downloaded and launched. " (Emphasis Mine).

Okay so maybe it’s a bad summary, let’s look at the text of the bill. On the 2nd page it says:

“The bill requires a developer to request an age signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the developer’s application is downloaded and launched.” (Emphasis mine).

Then again on Page 5:

“(2) (a) A DEVELOPER SHALL REQUEST AN AGE SIGNAL WITH RESPECT TO A PARTICULAR USER FROM AN OPERATING SYSTEM PROVIDER OR A COVERED APPLICATION STORE WHEN THE DEVELOPER’S APPLICATION IS DOWNLOADED AND LAUNCHED.”

So yeah, the bill literally says it in both the summary and the text.

So what is an application?

From Page 3 “APPLICATION” MEANS A SOFTWARE APPLICATION THAT BE RUN OR DIRECTED BY A USER ON A DEVICE." Huh, no ambiguity there.

And where would that make sense? What would Notepad or File Explorer do with my age range? That would make no sense at all.

Ask Colorado and California, it’s their legislation.

And yes, as a professional developer I would definetely comply and use this API instead of bothering my customers…

That’s good because if you don’t then you cannot have users in California nor in Colorado (assuming this legislation passes in Colorado).

…every time by askIng them to confirm their age, but since I’ve never worked on any age restricted software in the first place, it does not affect any of my products.

**Why do you think that matters?**There is no exception for your apps in the the Colorado or California legislation! You as a dev MUST comply with this law. If you choose not too then I hope you are prepared to deal with up to a $2,500 fine per user that turns out to be a minor!

“6-30-104. Enforcement - penalties.3 (1) A PERSON THAT VIOLATES THIS ARTICLE SHALL PAY A CIVIL PENALTY OF NO MORE THAN TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR EACH MINOR AFFECTED BY EACH NEGLIGENT VIOLATION, OR NO MORE THAN SEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR EACH MINOR AFFECTED BY EACH INTENTIONAL VIOLATION. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHALL ASSESS AND RECOVER THE PENALTY IN A CIVIL ACTION .”

Hmmm, okay well what is an “app store”, maybe your app is distributed in a way that allows you to sidestep the law?

"(5) (a) “COVERED APPLICATION STORE " MEANS A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INTERNET WEBSITE , SOFTWARE APPLICATION, ONLINE SERVICE, OR PLATFORM THAT DISTRIBUTES AND FACILITATES THE DOWNLOAD OF APPLICATIONS FROM THIRD- PARTY DEVELOPERS TO USERS OF DEVICES .”

Soooo, if you’re stuff is available on Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, GOS, STEAM, EA, or anyone else’s app store you need to comply. If your stuff is distributed from your own website you need to comply. If your stuff is distributed from GitHub you need to comply. If your stuff is distributed via package manager on Linux (that’s a software application!) then you need to comply.

Colorado’s legislation is slightly smarter than California’s in that it at least carves out some exceptions regarding applications for Enterprise, Commercial, and Government use but there are still caveats.

tl;dr This law and California’s clearly and specifically apply to applications as well as Operating Systems, are not “neat”, and its easy to predict that most F/OSS developers absolutely will not comply with these restrictions.

This bill is not “neat”. It literally REQUIRES every piece of software in existence to query for the users age bracket. Do you think that any F/OSS software devs are going to comply with this horseshit?

MSO and EXO have a value proposition that Cloud PC doesn’t and Cloud PC at minimum doubles the cost.

It was never crazy and people were predicting this since the 90s. It’s essentially a return to the dumb terminal & mainframe paradigm that was in use prior to desktop pcs.

Business’s will not adore this. Cloud PCs in M365 or Azure cost money, often as much per year as it would cost to just purchase a pc to begin with.

Read the legislation. It’s not just operating systems, its applications as well! All applications, there are no exceptions. Everything from GIMP to the EHR your Doctor uses to a custom Open Claude bot on Github. ALL of them.

Maybe MAGA will ignore it, but at least you are forcing them to break an actual law, which you can now hold against them.

They’re already breaking actual law and What Mamdani has done is just an Executive Order. His EOs are no more “law” than fucking Trump, Obama, or Bush Jr’s were.

You don’t have enough AI-ready GPU cores so Teams is running the local copilot model on the CPU with your most recent outlook emails in order to prepare a dummy to send to the cloud for further analysis

That’s a depressingly probable reason even though you meant it as techno-babble. It is actually possible that the machine doesn’t have enough NPU power!

isn’t it time to get off Windows?

I’m already using Linux everywhere I can both personally and at work, heck even my work laptop is running Linux. The blocker on my work desktop is that the remote access tool I use multiple times a day doesn’t have a functional Linux version.

I could switch my work desktop over to Apple but I’ve never liked MacOS.

If GW were alive today questions about Church v State would probably be way down on his list of “WTF is going on here?!”.

I mean the BoR applying to the States, individual taxes, the stupid amount of power that the Federal Government has, the utter disregard of the 9th and 10th Amendments, our large standing Army…all of these things would be of WAY more concern and confusion to him.

I’ll hate it because this already happens with links in MS Teams where despite having a high spec work computer it makes the system so sluggish that the mouse cursor won’t move smoothly for 15 seconds or so while it sorts itself out.

I mean I’ve already got a Core i7 with 32G of RAM and an NVME sitting on my desk so how much freaking horsepower is THIS little stunt going to take?

Why do you think this would confuse them? Their boss will spend about 30 seconds covering this one morning “I know that NYC did an Executive Order to keep us out of public spaces (room chuckles) but that doesn’t carry any legal authority. Ignore it.”

I mean they seemingly ignore most other laws so even if this Executive Orders was enforceable, and it’s not, what makes you think they wouldn’t ignore this as well?

It’s also federal law that requires they have warrants,

To enter public property? Nope, you’re wrong.

You or I can’t just walk into a school or hospital whenever we want without valid reason.

Since when? I can stroll into the lobby of a Hospital any time during business hours and so can Federal LE. Same with a school assuming the doors aren’t locked.

It also bars ICE agents from entering city-controlled properties such as schools, hospitals, shelters and parking facilities without a judicial warrant.

Yeah good luck with that. Federal Supremacy is still a thing, just like it was when the Obama Administration was fighting Arizona’s state level immigration enforcement.

It’s well established that Federal Law Enforcement can enter nearly any space or building that is open to the public. They can potentially be barred from entering private spaces, such as offices, inside a building unless they have a judicial warrant but that’s about it. Basically if you or I can walk in there then Federal LE can too and no Executive Order is going to change that.

…but truth be told I think that is just propaganda boasting.

Perhaps but we do have more guns than people and a higher firearm death rate than anywhere outside of an active war zone.

It’s just the Cartels would bring about real terror with a message loud and clear “this happened because your government thought it be smart to attack us.”

Yes and I think they’d get a gun barrel shoved up their ass to deliver the message loud and clear “this happened because you came here to start shit.”

But the terror would go cross boarder.

Where the cartels would face Law Enforcement AND a population capable who are both capable of eliminating them. I’m not arguing for it to happen nor saying it wouldn’t be awful for Cartel terror to start happening in the United States however in the U.S. both our Law Enforcement and our population are capable of extreme violence.

I seriously can’t imagine the things I’ve seen playing out in Mexico over the last 48 hours happening here, at least not outside some of our very large cities and even then only for very short amounts of time.

As an example a cartel group trying to block roadways with burning vehicles is likely to get shot to literal pieces once people figure out what is going on.

A cartel pushing an overwhelming attack on Law Enforcement would result in a public call for help and hundreds to thousands of people with essentially unlimited arms and ammo would be there in minutes.

Shootout / killing in the streets? Sure those might work for a few hours, maybe a day, but after that 1/2 half of the country would be walking around visibly armed and ready to throw down.

My point here is that fights inside the United States would not end like they do inside of Mexico and that’s WITHOUT the US Military being involved. The United States is a violent country, always has been, and groups REALLY fuck themselves when they do something to get all that violence redirected at them.

This is an enormous “No Duh” to anyone who has been paying attention. Cooperation between Mexican Authorities and US NORTHCOM has been public knowledge for months now as is what they are doing and how they are doing it.

It’s also happening in areas where education HASN’T been defended or dismantled. It’s happening in areas that aren’t Republican controlled too.

Fuck MAGA with a moldy pine tree but blaming this problem solely on them means it can’t be solved because whatever is happening isn’t being caused by them.

Used to be a video on YouTube showing the whole process.