I guess I don’t understand the correlation between banning speech that hurts no one, (a computer does not have feelings, nor is it sentient) and mutual aid? What barriers are you trying to collectively overcome by not allowing folks to discuss the benefits, risks and/or negatives of AI in our lives? It feels akin to someone telling me global warming and climate change arnt real so I should fuck off, I don’t belong, that speech is banned.

Anarchism is older than AI, I guess that’s where I feel the shift, and I only feel it here. Being new to lemmy, these two Incorporated ideas, I’ve never seen together before.

Side tangent, so you know where i am coming from. My definition of Anarchism stems from the early 90’s punk scene. In the late 90s, I was taught some of my computer literacy from a man who once hacked the KKK website back when, and made a mockery of it, told me he held the domain for so many months. His probation wouldn’t even allow him access to a land line it was absurd. He showed me how to use IRC, and I thought it was incredible, and glorious. That was freedom, of course until the power caught on. Even then, we persist.

I don’t understand how discussing the dangers of AI is withholding anyone’s freedom, nor do I understand how banning the speech is mutual aid.

I guess I can understand you want to protect your group of folks from people constantly questioning something you strongly believe in. But my previous questions stand. If you are up to it, feel free to enlighten me, I am an old goat these days, and I really am curious.

Edit, I guess I never thought of mutual aid as anything more than helping your neighbors and community physically, I never saw mutual aid as protecting thoughts. I guess if you reframe the definition to also protecting thoughts, and beliefs, I can see how you would consider this mutual aid, as you’re trying to protect your group from bombardment of arguing on the topic. I do think it’s a bit of a stretch to define it in such way, but I can respect it. My goal isn’t to seek argument, but to be informed. I only asked here because the topic came up, I generally ignore the AI conversations, The idea of banning speech just, should always be looked at speculatively, generally, the folks who are banning speech aren’t the good guys, as history tells. But sometimes it’s proper, is it proper here? I don’t know, and of course, I don’t think it’s up for you or me to decide, but rather collectively.

Personally I am super aware AI can be used to manipulate and persuade large swaths of people. The potential for abuse is easy for me to see. While it is a neat tool, I was more fascinated with fungi and the intelligence new science is finding within it today, than I am with algorithms and other non tanglible things. I am very cautious of my privacy, and not very tech savvy anymore, as its gotten more complicated.

This is where the fear, for me, of AI comes in. As our government swings more fascist here where I live, I’m weary of anyone making large promises of it’s benefits without questions, and I only commented because I have these thoughts, and then see in a conversation on the topic, people saying it’s not anarchist and speech questioning a specific technology should be banned. A technology usually funded by billionaires, or upper class folks who don’t understand working class struggle. The comment to ban speech on the negatives of AI just set off mad flags for me, so I thought I’d ask for more clarification.

I agreed until you got to the point that anti-AI conversation should be banned. And because I agreed up to that point, I think I joined the wrong instance. I could go along with y’all being pro-AI because im not inherently against it, just cautious as a person, knowing people abuse any kind of power far too often. And, I dont have to use AI in my life while still having anarchist beliefs. It’s a choice, so long as you hold no power and do no damage to others with your tools . . Banning conversation is holding power and using it against others, which is inherently not anarchy.

I guess the Anarchism I grew up with has changed. Bummer to hear.

Edit to add, I’m really tired of labels, I’m tired of having to put myself in a box for social media to digest.

Not my looking like a psychopath to my husband deleting my long time google account to set up a burner (because i cant even use maps/tap to pay without one).

I’m tired of being tracked. Being on lemmy I’ve gotten multiple ideas to help negate these apps/tracking models. I am ever greatful. Theres stil so much more I need to learn/do however.

There have a been a few times over the last few years, that my “bullshit- this is an extemist plant/propaganda” meter has gone off for left leaning individuals.

Meaning these comments/videos are aimed to look like they are left folks, but are meant to make the left look bad/extremist in order to push people from the working class movements.

Im truly a layman, but you just know its out there. The goal is indeed to divide us, and everyone should be suspect of everything the see on the Internet and do proper vetting of their sources.

“people yelling in the background” is such an interesting way to hear a laugh track described.

I stuggled to get my son to watch any older cartoons as well. The only one he liked was Tom and Jerry

Wu Tang and Molchat Doma

Target was my first job a few years after this happened to you. While my favorite is how nearly all retail will only give you 34 hours maximum so they don’t have to give you benefits, while also having you work a different shifts each day, with never two days off in a row, and that schedule is going to never be the same two weeks in a row- making it impossible to live a normal life or work a second job-

While thats so cool of these companies, Target is were my first cry and the hands of a customer happened. This white dude suit comes though my line, he’s with a young person, and he was buying basically out entire “back to school” (college) section. Hundreds of dollars.

His card declined. It didn’t just decline, it asked to call a number to get the transaction approved. I, as a teenager myself, tried to explain. This man berated me like no one ever did since to be honest. He pulled the “I make more money than everyone in this room combined”. He was mean.

My manager was really good about it when she came to help me. She even let me take an extra break after. Ill never forget that interaction. “What radicalized you”, this was one if them. Basic Human decency is free. What was he teaching that college aged kid in that moment? Why do some people tie money to whether or not you are a good person? I’ll never understand.

Anyway, about 7 months later I walked out due to this dumb removed Amanda, power tripping square, who was just mad her crush liked me and not her. I didnt like him back, but she was targeting me for it. I said fuck this and fuck you to her face, and walked out mid shift.

Target sucks balls. I’ve never made enough money to shop there with any real consistency anyway.

I love Aggretsuko! Good recommendation

I tried to watch Shogun, but couldn’t really get into it. I was really hoping I’d like it. Instead I just be watching The Seven Samurai on repeat

The thing is, when you speak to red hats on an individual level, the person you commented said they want the same basic safety and quality of life we do. I agree, this is true.

Where it strays is folks in power have preyed on the ignorance of the most blue collar, “School is for yuppies” “never lived anywhere but the boonies/sticks” kind of people.

The propaganda worked on them. They were targeted by this regime for decades, and it’s finally manifested.

Of course I speak on a macro level, because on a micro level I’ve cut out every racist/bigot in my life. Propaganda is a hell of a drug, and not everyone finds value in education which helps you spot it. Its a mess for sure

Folks here think regulation, and immediately put it to food and Ai or other white collar applications.

Working in plastic manufacturing for ten years, and chemical manufacturing for a few more, the term deregulatuon terrifies me. Regulations keep employees safe, and aims to keep the products we make safe.

I think of environmental impacts first and foremost, which is the kind of deregulation I assumed was meant with this regimes obsession with bringing back coal, oil, and mining/deforestation if our national parks.

Getting money out of politics is implemented with regulation. We only have one environment, and they want to deregulate environmental safety/preservation.

I’ve only gotten one minute into the video and already it’s hit me with truth.

I’m a sahm, used to work in manufacturing. I enjoy keeping house, …mostly. The beginning of the video it’s stated in the stone age, people would usually have one day of heavy work, followed by a day of less work.

When I’m left to my own devices on planning and keeping house, this is exactly how my days go. I clean like hell for one day or do an outdoor project, and the next, I just do the bare minimum, maybe a load of dishes and a meal that requires more effort, but nothing else. I thought it was just part of my neurodivergencies. But I really do enjoy working in this manner. I actually get to enjoy the fruits of my labor for a minute.

Maybe thats what humans are missing, basking in a job well done is important to keep us motivated imo

I worked 55+ hours a week for years. During the pandemic I became a stay at home mom. I suddenly, never sped while driving and any road rage tendencies vanished, nearly overnight.

While I feel quite isolated and lonely sometimes, as everyone I know works and are busy all the time, I can’t stress enough how much of a change my driving habits went through when I was no longer in “workmode”.

I used to break an average of 3 traffic laws every morning getting to my 6am shift. Then, the rush to just.get.home.

To a point now, I don’t like driving during rush hours, or shopping after the work crews get off. 10am on a weekday at the grocery store? Everyone is pleasant and polite.“excuse me” I say, and we have a polite interchange. I’ll give a compliment to a womans dress, and I’ve passed some good on to a fellow human, sometimes I even receive compliments from the little old ladies, I’ve learned from them after all.

If I go to the shop after 4pm or on a weekend? I can feel folks souls have been ripped out and stomped on, knowing what they feel… I say excuse me as i have to scoot pass their cart, and I don’t even get a response just a glare. Then I return home sad.

I really like this creator and she has a number of videos on this topic if anyone is seeking more information

Kiana Docherty YouTube1

Kiana Docherty YouTube2 She has many videos on the topic.

I use grapeseed oil in my dutch oven to make popcorn. I assumed olive oil wouldn’t work, maybe I’ll try a batch with olive oil. I’ll let y’all know later if I smoke my kitchen out or not lol

I just had the same thought as I was formulating a different comment here.

“An ultra-processed food (UPF) is a grouping of processed food characterized by relatively involved methods of production. There is no simple definition of UPF, but they are generally understood to be an industrial creation derived from natural food or synthesized from other organic compounds.[1][2] The resulting products are designed to be highly profitable, convenient, and hyperpalatable, often through food additives such as preservatives, colourings, and flavourings.[3] UPFs have often undergone processes such as moulding/extruding, hydrogenation, or frying.[4]” Wikipedia

I don’t know why it is not defined as such. It’s easy to understand to me anyway. Flour has been ground up by humans for centuries, and has gone through a process, but the end product still at least resembles what you find in nature. Glycerides however, need to be explained and created using chemistry through indusrial processes.

I don’t know if I could have picked a better example I am no expert. I’m simply disheartened so many struggle to distinguish between processed and ultra processed.

Olive oil is processed; if then, in an industrial process they extract the glyceride from that process and isolate it to its chemical form, to only then inject it into another food stuff product, that’s ultra processed.

Im not that smart, anyone feel free to holler at me for being incorrect. This is my understanding however.

I gave up Ultra-processed foods 15-20 years ago and lost a lot of weight, and maintained that weight loss for years only using the avoidance of ultra-processed foods. Of course when I got slack, I gained again. So to me it seems obvious the harms. However, one could argue injecting vitamin c to a food is healthy, and would be defined as going through ultra process to isolate the vitamin compound.

But there is, to me, something sinister to have food scientists engineer food to be highly palatable and addictive, while also being detrimental to our health. Looking at you hot cheetos.

“Use your best judgement” to read ingredient lables and spend a few hours looking up what you don’t recognize.

You’ll quickly get a grip on what is processed and what is ultra-processed, and why the later is not so great.

A bread with only flour, water, salt would be a processed food only as flour is processed.

A bread with 23 items listed in it’s ingredients, half of which sound like something you’d hear in chemistry class, is ultra-processed.

I havnt finished reading Ive just gotten excited when you mentioned the sugar and molasses information.

For years I’ve only bought pure cane sugar. It is interchangeabe with white sugar, it also still has its molasses. If a recipe calls for a half cup of white sugar and a half cup of brown sugar, I just use a full cup of cane sugar. This works beautifully. Even a recipe that calls for caster sugar. I have placed it in the food processor and ran it for a bit to make it more fine, no issue there. It worked in the recipe beautifully. I do have molasses in my cabinet for its purposes, because they are some, but I don’t understand why today we need white sugar and brown sugar differentiated when we have regular cane sugar. To bake a white cake (The only instance I can think where you would need white sugar at the moment) is pure vanity, not practicality.

I’m so glad you’ve mentioned it here