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  • This part was important, it’s not just phonetics.

    I gave examples of having a root in language - specifically, the English language.

    But, okay, a name has to have all of those things when coined to not be stupid. That would mean that you have equal disdain for Vanessa? It was coined by Jonathan Swift. It has none of the things you claim are important. It’s just a combination of two syllables taken from a friend’s last and first name - Esther Vanhomrigh. Myra? Coined by Fulke Greville, it’s just an anagram of “Mary”. Wendy? Coined by J. M. Barrie, it’s taken from a young girl mispronouncing the word “friend” as “fwendy”.

    There’s plenty more. I’m sure you’re equally annoyed by all of these, rather than accepting them as perfectly fine and normal because they were coined before you were born.

    This is still a dumbass name that serves no purpose but to reveal the parents’ ignorance and desire to give their kid a “unique” name.

    I mean, at least you’ve dropped the facade that you have a reasoned, linguistic rationale for your dislike and are now leaning into “it’s stupid because I personally don’t like it”.

    You can make the case for something like Ashleigh, where -leigh is used as an alternate spelling of the -ley from Ashley in all sorts of English place names, with the same meaning or a similar one as -ley has in the name Ashley.

    Okay, so, “-ly” is equally valid as an English place-name spelling varient of “leah”. Don’t believe me? Ask the English Place-Name Society: https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/research/groups/epns/documents/journal/49-2017/jepns49-2017-wager-95-126.pdf

    […]the Old English (OE) noun lēah, described as ‘incomparably the commonest topographical term in English place-names’ (Gelling and Cole 2014: 220), and usually appearing in place-names ending in current spellings of -ley, -ly, or -leigh[…]

    Graycyn is stupid as fuck.

    Again, it’s good to see you dropping the pretence of having a reasoned position.

    Deciding you want to name your kid Mychael, or Mathyew, or Jeze🔔, or something because your child is just too precious to share a name with all the plebs who have the same name with a conventional spelling isn’t some grand evolution of language, or does it add any novel meaning to the name.

    You’re right, spellings should only change if it also changes the meaning of the word. That’s why I shame people for calling their children Amy rather than the original Aimee; Edith rather than Eadgyth; Alice rather than Aalis; Walter/Walther rather than Waldhar; and so many more.

    You’re definitely right about Emmaleigh. The only proper way to spell it is Emelye. All subsequent spelling changes is just hipsters who aren’t changing the meaning at all. Imagine calling your daughter a stupid as fuck, dumbass name like “Emily”! For shame!



  • WRT Shakespeare, it’s perhaps worth noting that Shakespeare himself wasn’t immune to unusual names.

    He literally coined the names Jessica, Imogen, Miranda, and Cordelia (as well as some others which have more or less fallen out of favour today, like Ophelia, and Desdemona). And he popularised several more which would have been highly unusual in his time, like Juliet, Olivia, Viola, Beatrice, and Adriana.


  • There’s a family in a Terry Pratchett book where a family did that for the girls but didn’t quite understand the rules and just knew that it should be different for boys. So one of the secondary characters of this book is called Bestiality Carter.

    Pratchett handles it beautifully, too. Like, he’s a character for a good third, maybe even half of the book with it not remarked on at all before he gets an asterisk next to his name, which leads to a footnote which starts off (paraphrased, but the tone is correct): “okay, look, so it’s like this…”



  • At the moment OpenAI can’t pay back anything, becuase they’re hemmorhaging money. Losing billions a year. And there’s no path to profitability.

    That’s why they make investors confirm that they’re considering their investments a donation. That’s also why it’s unusual.

    It’s not unusual for the opening phases of big tech companies to be “operate at a massive loss until the competition has gone out of business”, as companies like Netflix and Uber can attest, but it is unusual for that to be done where the investors aren’t expecting to make a profit.


  • Writing is absolutely part of language. If your point is that English has weird, illogical spelling rules, then you’re right. That’s not a new observation. People have been writing about that since spelling was standardised.

    And it’s been changing for a very long time.

    How do you feel when you see the name “Amy”. Do you dislike it? What if I told you that the original spelling in English was “Aimee”? “Amee” was also very common once upon a time. “Amy” was a much later spelling and was once considered a cringey, trendy “Tragedeigh”. As, as I said above, were Ashleigh & Kayleigh.

    But you don’t think of them that way, because they’re now common. “Kayleigh” only gained popularity 40 years ago. “Ashleigh” is less than 100 years old. And already people don’t bat an eye at it. But they will at “Emmaleigh”, even though it’s exactly the same evolution.


  • What’s not standard about the phonetics of Emmaleigh? Or Graycyn, for that matter, to go with the example in the screnshot?

    “Gray” is a word, and even an extant first name (Gray Davis, for example, or Gray O‘Brien). “Cyn” is a common syllable, like in “cynic”, but it’s also a name itself - it’s a common nickname to shorten “Cyndy” or “Cyntha” (eg Madame Cyn or Cyn Santana).

    You’re fine with Graycyn, right?



  • What is or is not considered dumb in any particular culture is normally nothing more than a function of the age of that thing.

    For example, Wendy is just considered a normal name today, but people were mocked for calling their daughters Wendy once upon a time. It was invented for the book Peter Pan and was derived from a child referring to their friend as their “Fwendy”.

    Vanessa was once considered a stupid, trendy, quirky name, being another one taken from literature.

    Cheryl - a combination of Cherie and Beryl. Melinda - a combination a Mel and Linda. Annabelle - a combination of Anna and Belle. Annabeth - guess what that’s a combination of?

    All of those got the same push-back for being stupid and contrived. Yet now they’re just…names.

    Give it 50 years and people called Khaleesi and Katniss will be talking about how stupid all these new names are, rather than sensible ones like thiers.






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    Very much this. The people who make these kinds of posts forget that this is how names are invented and evolved.

    People who complain about what can be termed “Tragedeigh” names seem to be fine with “Kayleigh” and “Ashleigh”, despite both being a later variation on “Kayley” and “Ashley”, with the former not becoming popular until the 80s - and because of a song, at that.

    In general, people have a very hard time with the idea that language in general, and names specifically, evolve over time. Whatever was commonplace until they reach, say, their 30s is what’s “right”. Any variation after that is “wrong”. When, of course, it was just as mutable when they were young and before they were born, but they weren’t around for the latter and were equally mutable when they were themselves young.

    There can often be an unpleasant class/race undertone to it as well.






  • Scientists from Cambridge’s Department of Psychiatry found that children diagnosed as autistic earlier in life (typically before six years old) were more likely to show behavioural difficulties from early childhood, such as problems with social interaction.

    However, those diagnosed with autism later on in life (in late childhood or beyond) were more likely to experience social and behavioural difficulties during adolescence.

    I assume that the paper itself frames this a little differently, because what this is saying is trust there’s a correlation between when traits become noticeable and when people get a diagnosis. Which is what you’d expect. You don’t tend to diagnose people who don’t exhibit the traits required for diagnosis.