I like you. This comment gives good for thought. I’m falling asleep but I have some thoughts. Will follow up tomorrow stay tuned

You really think before Citizens was overturned we were peachy? Reagan decimated a century of policies in one term long before Citizens was an issue.

No, it’s the voter base. They don’t care. It’s that simple.

I agree. They should stop being republican lite. It’s frustrating for sure.

But look at it this way: the Dems passed boring ok policies. Nothing spectacular. ACA? Sure. It’s something. But on one hand we have lame attempts at passing reform and general policies that do a little progress. On the other hand: oligarchs tearing down everything to build a technocratic crypto fascist state. And even that is not enough to get people to vote. So, we can’t get people to vote in general. That’s the issue. We could have Cheguevara bringing the revolution to America or whatever, but these people don’t show up. Obama was charming and bam, Trump undoes everything. Where are the safeguards?

Republicans on the other hand, have the anticrhrist on the ballot and they all pull up to the booth. Every. Time.

Have you ever heard the saying

“the flame of democracy requires vigilance”?

These are all lofty ideals. Overturning citizens united. Getting money out of politics. It seems to me however, as soon as a candidate lacking in charm or popularity shows up, the whole system back tracks because no one wants to vote for a boring candidate.

I hated Kamala. She was the most establishment dem you could get. You’d think a sassy black woman would have some kind of charisma or anything really. She sounded like a corporate android programmed by Hillary herself. Her policies were boring and uninspiring. She failed her messaging so bad. I still voted but I understand why those who didn’t didn’t. But if that’s all it takes to revert the clock a hundred years then it’s over.

We’re fucked.

Americans had a Trump term already. And they collectively - those who voted and those who didn’t said: “sure. Let’s do that again. Why not.”

Democracy is dead.

You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.

My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don’t care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?

Here’s what I’d like someone to explain: suppose we have four (or even eight) years of president AOC.

Everything is going dandy. Palestine is recognized. Student loans are discharged. Maybe we’re even on track to get a public option. Etc. We get everything we want.

It seems like it only takes 1 (ONE) election cycle for Dems / Liberals / Progressives to stay home and be like “naaah, I just don’t feel it this year…Not gonna vote” to undo everything. Dems have had a slim majority in the house for the last 20 years. SC is one seat away from disaster.

We are only in month #2 of Orange Fucks presidency and look at all the damage he’s done. We’re back to square one. Nothing changes. I’m starting to get blackpilled about the whole democratic experiment. Someone give me some perspective please… I just don’t trust the American voter any more. The only consistency is Maga will always show up to vote no matter what piece of shit is written on the ballot. Dems / Liberals / Progressives: we need to move mountains to get any political coalitions or clout to achieve anything.