Oh tyvm for the info. I remember seeing progress on that front. Nice to see they did it. I shall add that to the small list of changes I plan to make. I will of course obsess over it for a while before considering the changes done. As is tradition ^^ Oh and no worries about commenting wherever. No such thing as noise if it’s in a meme thread :p And thank you for the praise 🩷

“Kids can’t consent to puberty blockers cuz it’s a big decision without permanent bodily changes.”

“Kids’ consent doesn’t matter when it comes to puberty, which has permanent bodily changes.”

From my limited experience talking to people against puberty blockers, first of all, they never remember the first part, that blockers are reversible and that the whole point is that they’re temporary and don’t leave permanent bodily changes. They always forget that aspect. That’s not relevant to their concerns. What makes them firm in their position is that they say it’s to protect kids from making the wrong decision.

(same thing they tell full-grown adults as to why we all need some random stranger’s permission before we’re allowed anything in the way of medical transition, to “protect” us from ourselves. indefinitely infantilized regardless of age.)

It doesn’t matter how many times the suicide rates are brought up or how they’re arguing for the protection of hypothetical cisgender kids who somehow accidentally go through transition as a result of being allowed blockers, at the cost of real transgender kids who can and do advocate for themselves only to be told no. Nothing changes these people. Because they would honestly rather that lots of trans kids die if it means they could possibly “save” even one cisgender kid from accidentally transitioning (which again, is not what blockers are for). They view trans people as lesser and a worthy sacrifice so as to save someone from being transgender.

I hope that was coherent enough, I’m tired, in many ways. have some trans: 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

edited to make it slightly less annoying to read here, have some more trans: 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

my lsd advice: if there are things which deserve your tears, don’t hold them back, feel your feelings to their greatest depths, try to understand yourself and your place in this world, try to understand the world and its place in you, and as always, be kind to yourself 🩷

I’m of course not an expert so feel free to chime in!

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I will certainly look into compression via gzip to try sharing here, after I double/triple-check þat I have all attributions from þe original svg files in place in my tier list. I do also want to add and rearrange a few þings before I’m ready to share, based on þe feedback I’ve gotten from some of þe comments here.

Idk about catbox.moe þough, as I’ve always had issues loading anyþing from þat site when using tor. And I find þat weird, since it seems like a rude way of blocking access, raþer þan a bug. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like a block as opposed to reject, leaving þe client waiting for a response while being ignored by þe server. Idk what else could explain þe consistent behaviour I experience.

As for a repo, if þat ever happens it will be my own. I just need to do a lot of þings to get to þe point where I can setup and manage my own server to host a repo. Ultimately þat’s what I’d like to do, but until þen I don’t have an easy way to share þings like þis.

(sorry for þe late reply)

I have tended to prefer Deiban-based distros too, I just recently found Alpine Linux and have been giving postmarketOS another chance on my Pinephone. But I haven’t switched from PureOS on my Librem 5 yet, and I still rely on debian-minimal templates in Qubes OS (and a few Fedora templates too). I feel like I wanna go with Alpine Linux for qube templates but at the same time worry if it’ll be too much work and time better spent going with Devuan but idk yet. It’s nice that we still have options.

Yeah, that’s valid. I’m interested in Alpine Linux and postmarketOS myself, but Devuan is a nice choice as well. Especially since Devuan and also Slackware Linux explicitly said they will refuse to comply with such laws. I liked the Slackware Linux response, which pointed out that such laws are actually unconstitutional in the states.

lol, in my defense I had that thought after only reading the first 2 sentences, and I could see a cave tour including information like “This cave was discovered in <year> B.C.E./C.E.” But “300 million B.C.E.” would certainly get me to literally laugh out loud if a cave tour guide said that.

If you’re talking about the age-verification stuff, I actually did have a group for “Plans to Age-Verify” but decided to hide that since it made the image even more complicated and difficult to interpret than it already is. If/when any of the distros above the gray area do end up implementing age-verification in such a way that the user cannot simply ignore it, then they will be dropped to the gray area with the other operating systems which I cannot recommend.

LineageOS doesn’t include any Google apps or services by default, nor does it include MicroG. (It does give an optional step to flash a GApps package in the official install guides, but this can be skipped no problem)

On this point, I didn’t suggest otherwise, and I don’t disagree.

LineageOS does use proprietary Google BLOBs for AGPS services and wifi captive portal detection, both of which are anonymised by the nature of the protocols used. But more importantly, /e/ OS also uses these too, so /e/ shouldn’t be ranked any higher than LineageOS is

Looking into this here and here, I see that you are correct that /e/OS still has not fully degoogled:

A-GPS and SUPL servers

⚙️ Under investigation with the /e/OS development team.

How /e/OS deGoogle’s Android

• Clean up of the source code by removing most Google server calls
• Connectivity checks traditionally done against Google servers, replaced with our servers
• Replace Google NTP servers for network time protocol
• Removed default Google DNS and offers more choices for DNS settings
• Replaced all default Google Apps by privacy-safe and feature-equivalent apps
• Adds an anonymity layer to Google services that are difficult to live without such as push notifications and access to Play Store applications

So you are correct that I should drop /e/OS down to the Dubious row for advertising itself as degoogled and yet not being fully degoogled. Idk how GrapheneOS can manage their own servers for properly degoogling while /e/OS fails to do so.

Technically, disabling gps would effectively finalize the degoogling of /e/OS, as it currently exists. The questionable/suspicious aspect of this is that there isn’t any documentation for how to finish the degoogling process that is accessibly presented to the user. I do find it annoying enough that clueless users won’t know to disable MicroG in order to continue degoogling the phone, which is advertised as being already degoogled. Having to disable a useful feature like gps in order to finish the degoogling process is weird and bad and wrong to not inform the user in such a way that non-tech users understand.

I still find LineageOS to be borderline malware for having captive portal connectivity checks which /e/OS has properly degoogled. Unless something has changed in the last few years, Waydroid (containerized LineageOS) attempts to make connections to google upon starting up, which does not seem to be the case for /e/OS.

From another one of my comments in this thread:

I had tried Waydroid on my linux phone, and the OpenSnitch firewall running in the host linux system flagged multiple google connections that Waydroid was attempting to make upon starting. Basic connectivity stuff, but googled nonetheless. I hadn’t seen any disclaimers on their site about it, but I also hadn’t seen anything about LineageOS advertising itself as degoogled in the first place. I view degoogled android as generally acceptable (though it’s not for me), but googled android is unacceptable (in my view). So I placed Waydroid in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.

And if I remember correctly, those connections were attempted every time I started Waydroid, not just the first time.

Well anyway, thanks for the info. Between this and the need to add CalyxOS into the list, I’ll need a lot more time to move things around.

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I overlooked FreeDOS and forgot about it even though it did come up when I had been looking for differrent operating systems to include. Reading the wiki page for it, I think I would place it in the Minimal row.

I had opted to ignore Haiku because it’s been in a persistent state of alpha/beta for over a decade, but if I were to add it to the tier list, I think I’d place it in the Indie & BSD row.

I hadn’t heard of 9Front until your comment, so I looked it up and read this article about it, and from my limited reading, I suppose I’d probably place it in the Indie & BSD row.

I understand what you’re saying, and I hope most people who come to comment are merely using this as a nice place to vent and joke with like-minded people. Being trapped in hate is a terrible thing, and continuing to feed it is unhealthy, but it’s also unhealthy to bottle up feelings without an outlet. So again, hopefully these kinds of posts act less in the way of feeding bad emotions and more in the way of providing an outlet for negative feelings that need an escape.

“I do not understand,” reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. “A booming voice is saying, ’Let there be light,’ but there is already light. It is saying, ’Let the earth bring forth grass,’ but I am already standing on grass.”

“Everything is here already,” the pictograph continues. “We do not need more stars.”

(thank you for sharing the link. i hadn’t read that one yet and it’s very good <3)

Yeah, I had originally read it as if the tour guide was giving incorrect information, like by using religious terminology instead of B.C.E./C.E.

Actually all that exists runs entirely in RAM. But it’s virtual RAM so nothing really exists. This is all just an illusion of existence, a false reality. Persistent potential state that is never realized.

I’m pretty sure it’s a Venn diagram with quite a bit of overlap.

echo “In fact, sometimes you get the impression they’re the only ones who vote.” echo “” > this.nation

Well everything has weaknesses, and nothing is perfect. I still trust xen over linux and Qubes OS over any other operating system. It is “a reasonably secure operating system” and doesn’t claim to be anything else. But you are definitely correct to point out that we should not put blind trust into something as if it cannot fail.

Yet it is a good indicator for a bountiful harvest of comments. Cheers ✨