Legit question. What would you do? A loved one is in a right wing pipeline. They are resistant to discussion regarding the topic (as is common with such things). There are known negative health, life, and moral outcomes to letting it continue. It is known that removing the easy access has positive results. You have the ability to limit them in some way that would not harm or truly limit them (as previously stated, news is obtainable from many sources).

The trolley approaches and your hand is on the lever. What’s your solution? Because this isn’t a thought problem. It’s something that real people are dealing with every day.

More like acceptable.

No one is immune from propaganda. Not you, not me, and not the older generation that’s been proven to be very susceptible. The ideal is to have a discussion about it, but given the toxicity of the right wing and how very skilled they are, I get it. Hell, I told my sister to do this exact thing to my grandpa. Because I cared about him and that shit, on top of being evil, probably isn’t good for blood pressure and stress.

We make decisions for each other all the time and the news can be obtained elsewhere. Far from fascism.

How many degrees do you want me to have? That’s one hell of a standard.

We train models to do specific things. We trained AI to regurgitate human like speech patterns. We made it big enough that it does so fairly well. The tech bros said “good enough” and took that technology and tried to hide behind universal function approximation theorem to say it can do anything.

But we didn’t teach it to learn. To remember. To cross reference or doubt. Because it can’t do any of those things. It’s a math problem that solves “how can I seem human”. We threw on guard rails against some hallucinations (nods to RAG models), but it’s still not conscious. If you think it is, I encourage you to interact with people face to face and compare.

You’ve mentioned a paper, now cite it. I fail to see how global workspace theory applies. Granted I’m not an expert, but a model of how the brain works doesn’t mean a bunch of linear algebra spontaneously achieved similar even if we accept it as valid.

I’m aware of J space. It’s not compelling. Hell, it’s published by “our scary AI escaped containment” advertising scheme Anthropic. What they found is… what models do. It’s useful for examining pieces of the architecture, but it’s not proving anything more than what we already knew was happening.

Under the hood is a bunch of linear algebra. What we don’t know is what any given neuron or array thereof is firing on without a shit ton of research. I’ll leave it to the researchers, preferably ones without an obvious bias like being paid by Anthropic, to call it when they achieve anything truly useful or interesting. Because right now they’re just destroying natural resources (water because capitalists are to sociopathic and short sighted to pay more to not destroy the planet), damaging people as individuals (intensifying burnout, exacerbating mental health issues, deskilling), damaging society (propagation of disinformation/hallucinations and whatever else the tech bros are up to), built on theft for a product that’s ok at best, far from necessary and a bubble that’s going to fuck us all.

Even if it was as good as you say, I can’t say that it’s worth it.

But we can agree that the oligarchs are evil cunts. We’ve always got that in common.

Respond how you will, I might read it, but I’m out for my own well being. Peace.

When most people use terms like next token prediction they’re often trying to use it with an implication that it’s a simple thing and nothing big or important could grow out of it.

I’m saying that as much as we dress it up and pretend it’s a silver bullet that can cure all ills, it isn’t. They can be very useful and powerful in specific instances, but this will not achieve AGI.

Over the last several years we’ve insisted that AI cannot possibly share the most important aspects of the human mind, but one by one everything we pointed to in order to differentiate ourselves was shown by research to have a strikingly similar allegory in modern AI.

Citation needed. AI is trained to pretend to be human and it’s real good at that. It’s why we say it’s thinking when it fundamentally is not. It’s anthropomorphization writ large. It’s just very repetitive math. Maybe brains are too, but it hasn’t reached our level. And it’s wrong all the time, which is a bit of a problem.

You genuinely believe that the researchers under tight NDA in the frontier labs agree with you on AGI not being anywhere near reach? Or do you think you have a deeper understanding of the topic?

My degree and I do think that while I’m not a doctor (a mere masters), I know enough to look at what they’re doing, how they’re doing it, what they’re promising, what they aren’t actually delivering, what damage AI* is doing, and what it is under the hood to know that what’s been promised cannot happen with things as they are and may work to kill us all along the way (ecologically speaking).

plenty of people to lord over who are grateful for the wonderful people who stepped in and helped save them

Pure Hollywood. If you think anyone could engineer something with that level of precision AND manage to somehow dominate the world after such wildly fictitious devastation, I have AGI to sell you.

It isn’t complicated. It’s the oldest thing in the world. Grifters found a shiny and they want to get as much money as they can get and run before the bill shows up.

that isn’t next token prediction.

Yes it is. It’s elaborate. It’s repetitive. It’s a solid illusion. But is, fundamentally, token prediction. That’s all it is, just at a level impractical for humans to run at. I could do that math. It’s not hard. It’ll just take me years to get through a single layer. Hence a level of complexity that implies something magical like consciousness.

Source: data scientist

And there’s a reason it’s the most well funded tech advancement ever

Because some rich assholes wanted to get richer and the dream of AGI was close enough (even though it was never in reach) that they went rabid for the tech that would make them kings over us serfs forever.

once the bulk of humanity is dead

And then what? They live in paradise? For a year or two maybe before their machines inevitably break down? The “kill off humanity” conspiracy has never made sense from the capitalist angle. They want slaves not corpses. They’re huffing their own farts, but they know that these things can’t do everything needed to keep humanity going. And lording over robots isn’t nearly as fun as upping human suffering even if they could.

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I think people have realized that A) they’re never going to be that rich, B) being that rich means you’re an evil person. We just want to fucking live. The only ethical billionaire is Dolly Parton.

And of course they are maximizing profits. They are all sociopaths. If they weren’t, Dolly wouldn’t be (as) special.

Do you want to punish billionaires for their wealth hoarding sociopathy or to make things better? Both is ideal, but one matters more than the other.

What’s that? The essential promise of AI that people cared about (real people, not rich assholes) was a lie the whole time? I’m shocked! Shocked I say!

So you’re a lay person with no expertise or insight into the signs they look for to determine if checking for parasites are necessary?

I’ve had a bunch of physicals too and I don’t think that qualifies me, in any way, to comment on medical standard practices.

Why do you know whether or not doctors check for parasites? Are you a medical professional or otherwise associated with the profession?

Pick an issue in the US and it’s probably because of xenophobia of some flavor (racism, bigotry, etc) or money. Often both.

Two really. Fingers crossed that the trifecta hits big.

I got a degree in data science cause machine learning is cool as hell. Interesting math that does cool shit, if a bit fiddly. We can process cancer scans faster and more accurately than ever before!

Then the fucking crypto bros showed up and thought you could use it to replace literally anything, stole the entire contents of the Internet, and gave us shit quality tools (validating my opinion that the tool is support, not replacement), and are destroying the planet in the process.

And I’ve given it a shot. Only tool that was useful was Claude and I kept it on a tight leash. Every app based on AI (gave up distinguishing LLM long ago) hasn’t been been worth the bits it was written with.

Edit: oh right, that thing where it’s also making us dumber. That’s in there too.

Presumably AI.

If your assistant is alexa, you can disable alexa plus and it’ll go back to the original non-LLM backend.

And now I have Jennifer Coolidge in my head…

The Trump admin has yet to win a first amendment case and the road to the supreme Court is quite long.

Oh look. Another first amendment violation for the queue to be struck down the second it hits a courtroom. Your tax dollars at work.

I was thinking it was some sort of transformers riff on Lady Liberty, who is also in the photo in her disguise.