Precision. It’s really hard to see anything at 300m with the eyes. You can’t shoot what you can’t see. You very rarely have clear sight lines out that far, and even when you do, it’s hard to put anything on a human sized target that far.
At 300 m the naked eye sees a person as about the size of a grain of rice.
Never said it’s impossible. You just won’t do it. A standard (American army) infantryman has a red dot. Non magnified. With adrenaline, moving targets, trying to not die, you will not be effective at that range.
You can use overwhelming volume to suppress, but, realistically, you’re going to close the distance. In a straight up infantry on infantry engagement anyway, which is a rarity.
Edit: just realized the Star Wars reference lmfao my bad
This is true. I played a lot of VR “full realism” games and frequently my squad couldn’t see anything far away (not to mention VR resolution is quite a bit lower than real life)
We resorted to one of us carrying a dedicated 7.62×51 semi-auto rifle with a long range optic (which was me) and a backup weapon. One of the guys carried a spare box of 100× 7.62 just in case, and it worked out great.
Ironically, using the long range optic like a spotter scope was almost as effective as hitting guys on towers, I struggled pretty badly if they were laying down, and the longest hit in the game was 482 meters (yards) on a guy who wasn’t moving at all, and took 3 tries.
It’s a matter of skill. Carlos hathcock used a .50 machine gun to snipe people in Vietnam. I hit individual targets at 500m with a 249 on a single shot with iron sights.
What’d you get on your asvab? Drool? In asymmetric warfare being a window licker doesn’t mean you saw much more than anyone else unless they never left the fob.
To your point about ASVABs, that’s the exact reason an average infantryman isn’t effective. I wasn’t sure some people could tie their own shoes, let alone handle a rifle.
Yeah? Of course, a 249 is a different beast. I’m talking about the average infantryman, M4, red dot. Sure, it’s not the hardest shots in the world, the average infantryman, just isn’t very combat effective there.
Edit: stationed at Gordon tells me you’re not infantry.
Yeah also, real life, you’re not shooting 300 m very often. Your rifle may be capable of it, you’re not. With any real effect anyway.
Source: former infantryman
Is it a matter of stopping power or of precision?
Precision. It’s really hard to see anything at 300m with the eyes. You can’t shoot what you can’t see. You very rarely have clear sight lines out that far, and even when you do, it’s hard to put anything on a human sized target that far.
At 300 m the naked eye sees a person as about the size of a grain of rice.
It’s not impossible. I used to bullseye Womp Rats in my T-16 back home.
Never said it’s impossible. You just won’t do it. A standard (American army) infantryman has a red dot. Non magnified. With adrenaline, moving targets, trying to not die, you will not be effective at that range.
You can use overwhelming volume to suppress, but, realistically, you’re going to close the distance. In a straight up infantry on infantry engagement anyway, which is a rarity.
Edit: just realized the Star Wars reference lmfao my bad
This is true. I played a lot of VR “full realism” games and frequently my squad couldn’t see anything far away (not to mention VR resolution is quite a bit lower than real life)
We resorted to one of us carrying a dedicated 7.62×51 semi-auto rifle with a long range optic (which was me) and a backup weapon. One of the guys carried a spare box of 100× 7.62 just in case, and it worked out great.
Ironically, using the long range optic like a spotter scope was almost as effective as hitting guys on towers, I struggled pretty badly if they were laying down, and the longest hit in the game was 482 meters (yards) on a guy who wasn’t moving at all, and took 3 tries.
Source: Ghosts of Tabor
I could snipe people from 500m with a 249 with no problem. 2-3 shots no problem.
It’s a matter of skill. Carlos hathcock used a .50 machine gun to snipe people in Vietnam. I hit individual targets at 500m with a 249 on a single shot with iron sights.
Range data isn’t a flex, pog.
What’d you get on your asvab? Drool? In asymmetric warfare being a window licker doesn’t mean you saw much more than anyone else unless they never left the fob.
Uh huh. Sure.
To your point about ASVABs, that’s the exact reason an average infantryman isn’t effective. I wasn’t sure some people could tie their own shoes, let alone handle a rifle.
Wrong. I easily shot 500m on a 249 single shot on iron sights.
Yeah? Of course, a 249 is a different beast. I’m talking about the average infantryman, M4, red dot. Sure, it’s not the hardest shots in the world, the average infantryman, just isn’t very combat effective there.
Edit: stationed at Gordon tells me you’re not infantry.