I really liked lemm.ee because it didn’t defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.
But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can’t be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.
To be fair, lemm.ee didn’t really act as host to any major communities to begin with. So communities aren’t really the loss here, and it could be that having at least a few big active communities on an instance is a key part of maintaining its long term viability.
Also, all the text posts and comments from lemm.ee will still remain on other instances. I’m sure the instance could also back up content, if the specific admin so desired to re-host.
Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they’ll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn’t a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.
I’m just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.
For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can’t easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it’s just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).
Maybe there’s some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.
Thanks, that’s interesting. Also that a python program is less resource intensive than rust lol.
But I’ve been wondering if communities should be bound to domains at all or maybe should be more free floating or P2P. Or if communities should be owned by admins at all, or could possibly be democratically controlled.
I interact regularly with “those ml” instances and don’t meet any (or not many) of people like you describe. I do believe it’s mostly rumors, propaganda, cherry picking and liberal prejudice against socialists.
Do you still know what is real? The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.
In case you’re curious, I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire. I’m a realist, pacifist and materialist, we already know what the regime change sought by the US will do to the people in “shithole” countries.
I’m an an-com. It’s not rumors or propaganda, it’s seeing you in action with our own eyes. There are entire communities dedicated to calling out your redfash fuckassery on lemmy.
If you support or are silent on imperialism, you are the enemy.
But not supporting Russia is the same as not opposing US imperialism, which is the same as supporting US imperialism. Think about it lol.
And yeah, there are communities dedicated to spreading “rumors, propaganda, cherry picking” and creating prejudice. There is very little difference between the fascist lies told by MAGA and the US imperialist lies told by the MSM. You think just because Russia manipulates people, the US isn’t doing the same? Because one side is bad, the other is good? That the left is somehow immune? It’s become increasingly hard to figure out the truth of what is happening in the world, but people crave a pure certainty. That’s how the fascists won, by reshaping how the liberals perceive the world. And the neoliberals love the good vs evil narrative.
What matters is tactics and strategy. A multipolar world is better for any socialist project. Multiple independent sources of information, even if tainted, are better than a single perspective shaped by mainstream media. There are only 3 international newspapers in the world, and they’ve long been captured.
That’s why I’m specifically looking for a server that doesn’t block those pesky radicals and dissenters.
The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.
I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire.
This is why I downvoted you.
Edit: looks like I pissed off the tankies. You people are transparent, FYI.
so interesting how hundreds of millions of leftists in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and other parts of the world (many of whom actually live in countries that had real, successful revolutions) are all apparently a bunch of idiots who don’t realize they’re being fooled, but the Westerners who have never had a successful socialist movement are the ones who truly understand the core of class struggle (and at the center of it all is “authoritarianism,” a very real thing that definitely doesn’t just describe the behavior of all states)
I really liked lemm.ee because it didn’t defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.
But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can’t be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.
That’s a disturbingly good point.
Community migration is available on Piefed: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
To be fair, lemm.ee didn’t really act as host to any major communities to begin with. So communities aren’t really the loss here, and it could be that having at least a few big active communities on an instance is a key part of maintaining its long term viability.
Also, all the text posts and comments from lemm.ee will still remain on other instances. I’m sure the instance could also back up content, if the specific admin so desired to re-host.
Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they’ll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn’t a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.
I’m just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.
For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can’t easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it’s just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).
Maybe there’s some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.
Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.
Yeah. There is a userscript called “Lemmy Universal Link Switcher” (link) that helps with that, but of course it’s just an UI fix.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
Thanks, that’s interesting. Also that a python program is less resource intensive than rust lol.
But I’ve been wondering if communities should be bound to domains at all or maybe should be more free floating or P2P. Or if communities should be owned by admins at all, or could possibly be democratically controlled.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
I hope you’re not calling tankies radical socialists or communists. Because .ml et al are authoritarian instances, not lefty.
What do you think radical means in political contexts?
I interact regularly with “those ml” instances and don’t meet any (or not many) of people like you describe. I do believe it’s mostly rumors, propaganda, cherry picking and liberal prejudice against socialists.
Do you still know what is real? The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.
In case you’re curious, I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire. I’m a realist, pacifist and materialist, we already know what the regime change sought by the US will do to the people in “shithole” countries.
I’m an an-com. It’s not rumors or propaganda, it’s seeing you in action with our own eyes. There are entire communities dedicated to calling out your redfash fuckassery on lemmy.
If you support or are silent on imperialism, you are the enemy.
But not supporting Russia is the same as not opposing US imperialism, which is the same as supporting US imperialism. Think about it lol.
And yeah, there are communities dedicated to spreading “rumors, propaganda, cherry picking” and creating prejudice. There is very little difference between the fascist lies told by MAGA and the US imperialist lies told by the MSM. You think just because Russia manipulates people, the US isn’t doing the same? Because one side is bad, the other is good? That the left is somehow immune? It’s become increasingly hard to figure out the truth of what is happening in the world, but people crave a pure certainty. That’s how the fascists won, by reshaping how the liberals perceive the world. And the neoliberals love the good vs evil narrative.
What matters is tactics and strategy. A multipolar world is better for any socialist project. Multiple independent sources of information, even if tainted, are better than a single perspective shaped by mainstream media. There are only 3 international newspapers in the world, and they’ve long been captured.
That’s why I’m specifically looking for a server that doesn’t block those pesky radicals and dissenters.
This is why I downvoted you.
Edit: looks like I pissed off the tankies. You people are transparent, FYI.
so interesting how hundreds of millions of leftists in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and other parts of the world (many of whom actually live in countries that had real, successful revolutions) are all apparently a bunch of idiots who don’t realize they’re being fooled, but the Westerners who have never had a successful socialist movement are the ones who truly understand the core of class struggle (and at the center of it all is “authoritarianism,” a very real thing that definitely doesn’t just describe the behavior of all states)