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Hell yeah. I’ll be pretty hostile towards magats
I think a lot of these people fail to realize that they aren’t Fediverse material isn’t because it’s “complicated” or “filled with linux nerds”. No, it’s because they are the people the Fediverse was created to escape, fascist right-wing extremists. It is more than natural they wouldn’t fit in here because that ideology isn’t compatible with the federated space and working together, if it was why didn’t those people build their own fediverse? I mean they tried, but not so they could connect their sites together and interoperate, only so they could try and take over our spaces, so they could try and force their messages onto us. When we blocked them and plugged our ears they gave up on Federation like that.
So it’s best to not worry too much about getting these people to join here, but rather debunking any arguments they may have against federation and its viability. The end goal isn’t to get EVERYONE* to join the Fediverse, it’s to get left leaning people and normies to while leaving all the extremists behind. At a point platforms like Reddit and Twitter become as insufferable as Gab or TruthSocial and the only real people there are the alt-right people.
What are you trying to convey??
Lemmy is a left-wing alternative to right wing-infested websites like reddit, built by communists. right wingers and “free speech absolutist” centrists aren’t welcome here.
Echo chamver.
What’s an echo chamber?
yeah, it’s not for bigots like you. can you get that through your thick skull? you aren’t welcome here.
You’re accusing me of being a bigot even though you know nothing about me! How did you came to that conclusion?
p.s.: the hivemind is mad the hivemind is mad
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Avoiding the subject to make a pig poop joke? That’s genius!
Where are the centrist and right leaning spaces? As far as I can tell, they’re almost completely empty.
You’re in it, buddy.
Also:
Unrelated?
Many people leave reddit for Lemmy because of how right-wing Reddit is, but this redditor is complaining that Lemmy doesn’t have enough right-wing spaces for people like themselves.
good. i don’t want to share this space with fascists.
Me neither. glares at the AI art theft communities What the fuck? How do you call yourselves anti-fascist when you promote ai art theft machines? Fucking hypocrites.
Lol toxic to what? MAGA?
Whenever I see complaints like these, purposefully vague about what kind of “exteme views” they have a problem with, I have to think of this meme
There it is! That’s the meme!
If Lemmy is extreme leftist, this person is likely to be conservative or they keep stumbling into Grad and think that’s the whole platform.
I tend to lean towards ineptitude in this case though.
I mean, we are way lefter than reddit, and given that the bell curve of intelligent responses is located at about the same place, we probably look a lot further left than we are to liberals and right of there. (i.e. stupid responses and extremist responses look pretty similar.)
Not sure if poorly phrased or pseudo-intellectual argument for horseshoe theory and/or enlightened centrism.
My first day on my first account I saw more overt racism on Lemmy than I saw on Reddit in a year. Being able to block the tankie triad instances fixed most of this.
This you, defending colonizers and Just Asking Questions about fascism?
The modlog is probably another reason people think Lemmy is “toxic.” They can’t just lie about what they were banned for here.
I call bullshit. What racism did you see exactly, “reverse-racism”? Did you see Western settler-colonialists get insulted? Do you have even a Wikipedia-level understanding of racism?
Poor Nazi. Hopefully they felt really unwelcome and unsafe.
I was going to question what makes you think they’re far right but
If their experience is anything like mine, it’s populated by mostly far left wing Americans who were banned from Reddit for being too extreme.
Where are the centrist and right leaning spaces? As far as I can tell, they’re almost completely empty.
I agree, Reddit is massively extreme left politic trolls. The ones that have left reddit for lemmy because of corporealism is even further down that rabbit hole. Honestly social media is just a political psyop at this point.
😐 God, i remember why i left reddit now. It’s just a circlejerk of racists thinking they’re “progressive”
Where are the centrist and right leaning spaces? As far as I can tell, they’re almost completely empty.
haha oh no what a shame
“Social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism” - Happybadger, 2025
They didn’t specify Hexbear or Lemmygrad by name which is the normal course for a radlib from somewhere like lemmy.world when they’re making this kind of post. That to me says they didn’t join an instance like mine where there’s an actual culture of left purity testing. I can all but guarantee they joined lemmy.ml, .world, or one of the other instances that are about as liberal as bluesky and actively recruited during the IPO-era reddit exodus. Reddit is so obscenely reactionary/libertarian that they’d be culture shocked by a lemmy instance where they can’t openly say the most antisocial thing you’ve heard this week and get a little trophy for it.
If anyone says that the general fediverse feed is too radical for them, it’s on them to disprove they’re a Nazi. They might not even consciously consider themselves a Nazi, but they’re going down some pewdiepipeline. The general fediverse feed, and most of the content you’d see on an explicitly radical instance like mine, is so benign if not milquetoast liberal that you shouldn’t feel this kind of opposition to it. Nothing about the instances I generally disagree with would make me want to go back to reddit on a new account. To feel ideological solidarity with
but not any part of the fediverse is a huge red flag.I genuinely don’t have a clue what “extremist content” (in terms of mainstream instances) they’re talking about. If fucking .world is “radical” to you i don’t want to see your opinions on a bad day lol.
The worst part is they’re flooding lemmy now, i’ve noticed an uptick in racism (admin, so i see most reports) and it’s pretty fucking disappointing. I left reddit due to racism against arabs and non-westerners in general, and those idiots want to come here? Fuck, lemmy isn’t perfect but way better than those scumbags.
It really has been noticable that they are everywhere now. I see them mostly from .world and SJW. The ones on DB0 are so confusing to me though because it is explicitly anarchist.
Your post was enjoyable for me to read and this …
pewdiepipeline
Never seen this before. Thanks for being it to my attention if you invented this i actually love you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmRYRRDbuw
That’s from a good video essay about how people are radicalised toward fascism through communities that normalise racist jokes. He was really vindicated with the rise of streamer fascism. That same basic model applies to a website like reddit or twitter where a right-wing audience and algorithm reward you for becoming more right-wing.
I mean… he ain’t exactly wrong. Lemmy IS primarily far left users at the moment. Some of them extremely left.
Like I understand that this particular user didn’t really give it a fair shake, but lets not pretend those comments are wrong about that specific aspect of Lemmy. I have observed that you generally cannot have nuanced discussions on a myriad of topics on lemmy as there is a “right” and “wrong” stance in the eyes of the majority here.
Some of y’all are so far left that anyone even a millimeter to the right of you is seen as the second coming of Adolf himself.
Now obviously I understand that Lemmy isn’t homogeneous, but it definitely has a majority user base that leans so far left it’s pretty much laying on the ground at this point.
Thats just my 2¢ as left leaning moderate.
left leaning moderate
this user is an incel-flavour repeat misogynist.
And I would feel fairly confident that the commenter was a woman because attacking someones personality (that they don’t know at all) is typically done by women. If they don’t like something you said they tend to tell you that you have a crap personality or a tiny dick.
So I am open to being wrong about that commenter, but I would feel comfortable putting a gentlemans bet of 1 dollar that it was left by a woman.
It’s the constant lost progress that wears you down. You’re carrying the conversation and keeping it fun while half the women are dry and give short answers to everything because they are messaging back the 20 other guys who all matched with them that day
I never said it was a new shitty behavior from women. It’s just that more men are aware of it now. Especially since a lot of women will post about it online and while they do get to share it with their yaaas queen slay fan base men do also see those posts. They see those comments where women are bragging about how many dates they have gone on with zero intention of actually romantically engaging with the man at any point.
Interesting response. I take it you must be one of those women I was referring to in part of my comment somewhere.
I definitely wouldn’t say they bring nothing to the table. It’s just that they expect you to bring a lot to the table and often times they bring little to the table. If they also didn’t expect you to bring much then it wouldn’t be so bad, but they expect it all while doing little to nothing in return.
Dating apps and websites have overinflated women’s egos
The average looking guy with a job and some normal hobbies is going to get very few matches where as most women get hundreds a day regardless of their level of employment or having hobbies. This leads to women believing they can find the millionaire bachelor if they just hold out for longer when in reality they are not the women that the millionaire bachelor is going to pick.
Myself and most men I know around my age who all did very well in the dating scene when we were younger have just completely given up on dating now. We have zero interest in putting in the time, energy and money into something that yeilds nothing in return these days.
Based on science and reality. There are endless studies that in general women are more attracted to “masculine” men. Strong looking deep voiced men. Even more so when ovulating. Same way men are hard wired for big boobs and wide hips. Monkey brain wants to make sure our offspring survive birth and are well fed.
https://www.colorado.edu/asmagazine/2010/12/01/fertile-women-want-macho-looking-men
Or just Google it for yourself and read any one of the many many articles talking about the subject in various different and specific ways.
Or just look at the men that most women are attracted to in general and see what characteristics they share.
Why are women more attracted to abstract things that may not resemble as man at all while most men require that they at least vaguely resemble a woman?
Lmfaooo
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keep denigrating your detractors by calling them mentally ill, you’re doing a great job of convincing everyone you aren’t a fascist.
No … Just you and that other clown that just showed up. Everyone else has been mostly respectful and normal.
Me? It’s me isn’t it?
even if you delete the comments, people can still see them now:)
I don’t delete my comments because I stand by the things I say. But uh… Sick threat I guess.
so you aren’t ashamed? can you just admit that you hate women?
No? I’m not ashamed and I don’t hate women. I’m rather fond of them actually. Big fan.
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Those are your words, genius
No shit Sherlock. I was referring to them spending the time and energy to attempt and smear me or whatever they were hoping to achieve with that comment lol.
You aren’t the brightest sandwich in the toolshed are ya?
It isn’t smearing to quote someone directly, incel. If you don’t want people criticizing your speech then either say better things or shut the fuck up.
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Ah, intellect was your trigger. Proud of it are ya? Shouldn’t be.
Please do show me and the rest of the class how right i (and the women that avoid you) are about you mr
1mm of perception.
Lemmy: “Fucking die in a fire you fucking Nazi!”
Watch this!
“Trans folks are fallible human beings like the rest of us.”
Watch out. You might get banned from Blahaj.
It’s so hard to find a user so aware and rational like you…
I have observed that you generally cannot have nuanced discussions on a myriad of topics on lemmy as there is a “right” and “wrong” stance in the eyes of the majority here.
Does this mean that you believe in nothing? Because I can’t really interpret it any other way.
Im not really sure how that is the only way you interpreted what I said there…
I believe in all sorts of things. I haven’t really gotten into many political conversations on Lemmy. I have simply seen in other threads I was reading through that the grand majority has their stance and anyone that doesn’t necessarily agree with that stance tends to get downvoted or banned pretty quickly. Not exactly a place of thoughtful debate. More of one group dogpiling a minority opinion until it’s gone.
Sorta like a self sustained echo chamber or something. If anyone comes in with an outside perspective the horde attacks until it’s dead or leaves. Just makes most of the threads kinda boring because it’s a bunch of people all agreeing on everything.
It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.
So you do believe that the positions you hold are correct, that they are “right” rather than “wrong”? Otherwise, why would you hold them?
It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.
I’ve been on this planet for nearly half a century, so I’ve already heard all the so-called “arguments” that are supposed to counter the things I believe. They’re all garbage, and they never change.
So after half a century of being alive you have just decided there’s nothing else to learn and nothing you could be mistaken about. No reason to talk things out and hear others’ opinions. Because you are the oldest wisest human being ever.
I (not the person you answered to) do believe I am right on the opinions I hold, but I’m not certain of it. So I read, and I discourse, and I consider other points of view, in case my opinions could have been mistaken. That won’t mean I will suddenly consider “hey maybe the Nazis were right killing all those people they hated”. There will be some aspects where I won’t budge in my opinion, but most things are nuanced and harder to draw a line for than the nazi example.
But then again, why would what I say matter, all arguments opposed to you are garbage and wrong.
What was the last thing that changed your opinion on something you would consider a substantial influence on how you interact with the world?
I believe that the opinions I hold currently are the best versions of the opinions I’ve come to have over the course of my life. I used to have very different opinions when I was younger and I am sure many of my opinions on things will shift as I get older. It’s not as black and white/ right and wrong as you are implying. Sure there are some things that have an objectively correct answer like math. 2+2=4 and anyone who is trying to convince you otherwise is either crazy or trying to sell you something. But for most topics they aren’t as simple or straightforward even if some people try to make it that way. It’s more of a scale. Lots of grey.
to sell you something. But for most topics they aren’t as simple or straightforward even if some people try to make it that way. It’s more of a scale. Lots of grey.
Just because there are scales of grey doesn’t mean there are not more correct versions of things depending on your goals. Just because they are not clear does not mean they don’t exist. Simple and straightforwardness have nothing in relation to the correctness of them but the accessibility of that correctness.
I don’t disagree.
Yeah, at that point we’re playing semantics, then I think since we’re reaching a point of agreeing on the premise of the idea with different terms.
We could quibble about where the ‘moderate’ stance actually is, but i find it more refreshing to debate the nuances of differing leftist stances rather than deal with brain-dead reactionary takes that i find in the typical reddit community
I don’t think most Americans realize just how rightward their politics have been pushed over even the last 15 years
American moderates are center right. In most places. You would be correct that America skews right in genral.
As I am an American I am measuring myself based on America’s politics spectrum. I seem to piss off people on both sides of the isle.
I am pro gun. Pro choice. Pro universal health care. I don’t care about sexual orientation you are. I don’t care what consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their own homes. I honestly don’t care about gay marriage or if someone wants to marry their car. I think we didn’t separate church and state enough. Pro free speech.
Mostly I think the government should leave everyone the fuck alone.
Took about 30 seconds
And I would feel fairly confident that the commenter was a woman because attacking someones personality (that they don’t know at all) is typically done by women
lmao good work
Was this in their history? I can’t find it.
Yea, it might be a hexbear defed instance though
I stand by that comment. It’s missing some context from the rest of that thread and other comments left by other people but still.
Don’t worry, I read the context, and I still think it’s plenty misogynistic.
I can see why you might “get shit on by both sides”
you are a pathetic worm
That’s a pretty disingenuous way to categorize moderates/centrists and you know it.
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what are some of your specific disagreements with this far left cohort?
Not my stances personally just other threads I have lurked in. I have just observed that in other threads there tends to be the majority that thinks A is the right answer on the given topic and if anyone drops by and says “well I don’t think B is entirely incorrect” they get downvoted or banned.
Not exactly a place for great discussion to take place.
some opinions don’t deserve the time of day. it’s concerning that you dodged my question.
I fundamentally disagree. Just because you or I may not like someones opinions doesn’t mean I don’t think they shouldn’t be allowed to have them.
You can’t stop people from thinking what they think. If you silence them or shut them out they arent going to suddenly change their opinions on things. If anything that will just cause most people to double down. The only way change happens is if they are constantly running up against other opinions and they realize that maybe their own stance doesn’t line up with what they think anymore.
I’m sure we all had opinions as kids and then we learned something at school that changed our opinions on something. Had we been shut out of the conversation or learning that new thing because of our initial opinions we never would have heard the other perspective or info that ultimately caused us to reevaluate our own stances.
I believe being able to have conversations with someone you disagree with is a fundamental requirement for a functional society.
your position is one that inevitably lets nazis and wreckers infest queer safe spaces. can’t you agree a zero tolerance policy is needed for certain “opinions” (i.e. nazis, homophobes, transphobes, racists, misogynists etc.) or are you genuinely a free speech warrior shithead? because that’s pee pee poo poo reddit debate lord shit. it’s concerning the way you dodged my initial question. you will probably dodge this question too to avoid showing your ass.
I think it’s pretty clear from my first comment that I am a free speech absolutionist. So no I don’t believe shutting off certain opinions even I find them abhorrent.
Like I said before. We appear to fundamentally disagree so I don’t really see any point in going down this road. You think I am a “free speech warrior shithead” already and I think your way of thinking is short sighted.
Let’s go out separate ways and perhaps we will bump into each other at a later date with slightly different perspectives on everything. You never know.
I think it’s pretty clear from my first comment that I am a free speech absolutionist. So no I don’t believe shutting off certain opinions even I find them abhorrent.
Like I said before. We appear to fundamentally disagree, so I don’t really see any point in going down this road. You think I am a “free speech warrior shithead” already and I think your way of thinking is short sighted.
What about when that “abhorrent” opinion is just couching violence in innuendo and insinuation? Often facist rhetoric such as Neo-Nazis (in the most literal sense) have recognized that they’ll often get defended up until they outright call for violence and have adapted tactics to continue sustained harrassment campaigns until they manage to inflict psychological harm that can accomplish the same goals of their physical harm.
I am a free speech absolutionist
i have to assume you draw the line somewhere, though. Like, as an example, I imagine you probably support the censorship of calls to violence? Or, as a hypothetical, advocating for someone to conduct self-harm?
Free speech absolutists tend to be the only ones defending some of the most depraved and harmful types of ‘speech’ imaginable, and they honestly don’t have any place in a federated community. I agree with imogen - if that’s your perspective you can definitely fuck off
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Do fascist opinions deserve the light of day? Should we tolerate cryptofascists JAQing off on Lemmy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Part of the issue is with what YOU label as a fascist and what others would label as fascist may not align. It’s like freedom of speech. As soon as you start trying to make exceptions it becomes a slippery slope of who is the one enforcing it and from what view point. Either it’s all ok to be discussed or none of it is.
You certainly don’t have to agree with them, but I don’t think banning them or trying to cut them out helps anything in the long run. If anything it’s makes the problem worse because then they are only around people that have their same views and their opinions dig in deeper and start multiplying.
You can’t defeat hate by trying to cut it off.
You can’t defeat hate by trying to cut it off.
It’s head. yes, that’s exactly what you do with hate. You don’t debate it, you don’t listen to it, you don’t teach it. you kill it with fire.
fuck you dude you’re a misogynistic asshole and you’re right that you’re not welcome around here, go back to reddit
I avoid news and political communities so I don’t really know that the crowd is about over there. People on !patientgamers@sh.itjust.works and !gardening@lemmy.world are usually nice
Yeah if you avoid political subs and political topics in general Lemmy is great. But if you sort by Lemmy’s version of “r/all” it’s almost all political stuff and the comments are all primally unidirectional.
Trying to sanitize /all through the means of blocking half of Lemmy is way too much effort, and still won’t produce a good experience I think. I personally prune and maintain an extensive subscribed list instead and almost exclusively browse /subscribed. That still lets me access /all (or /local) whenever I feel like it without having half the content blocked, but can still avoid news and politics in my day to day browsing.
Yeah it’s unfortunate it takes this much work to filter out the majority of the extremism, but I’m thinking it might be worth it. It took about 6 months to block the worst users on nextdoor but it made my feed infinitely more useful and pleasant, I am guessing the same thing here, time will tell.
If I used it more than just during downtime at work I would probably bother but really I just kinda mindlessly scroll between tasks at work. The nature of my work means it’s a lot of hurry up and wait. So Lemmy fills the waiting portion. Once I’m home I have my full computer and all that I have no reason to be on Lemmy anymore lol
I browse All, but blocked all the news and politics on my main account. I check every few days on an alt.
That’s probably the most sane way to approach politics these days. Check in once in awhile. Seeing it all day every day would drive anyone insane. And clearly it has for many people.
We should start a news service that gives you a summa of the week or something. So people can stay somewhat informed but not have it ruin every waking moment of their days…
That could be a cool community
There’s probably a YouTuber that already does that, but lord knows they are probably biased in one direction or another. I miss purely factual reporting.
Interesting how this whole post proves this person’s claims. Lemmy is indeed toxic, after all.
then leave 👍
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If assholes don’t like Lemmy, GOOD.
The main issue with this kind of posts is that it might prevent non-assholes potential new joiners to give the platform a try
True, but I think it’s a small price to pay. I’d rather have a smaller Lemmy that maintains the current atmosphere than a bigger Lemmy with a larger percentage of jerks.
Honestly curious… what exactly are you doing in a community who’s stated goal is to evangelize the Lemmy network?
Let’s see how 75k monthly active users looks like. There’s probably still room to grow.
I was on lemmy for a bit and did try just using “subscribed”. It was like I said in another reply, it was either all content with the same mindset and no dialogue or it was a ghost town.
It is in fact possible for people to just dislike lemmy and want something else.
This isn’t a terribly unfair criticism tbh
I never know what to do with these lol
it actually has quite a few upvotes too
Oh no… Anyway…
