I don’t interact with the various other Lemmy instances very often. I see almost no point in it, it’s just reddit. All they post is endless articles from the Atlantic or Wall Street journal. Elon musk this, orange man that, all useless, pointless posting.

Recently, their favorite flavor of slop has been the “Tiananmen square massacre”. This has brought out the worst in them. We live rent free in their heads, but especially whenever a socialist government is mentioned. They all come crawling out of their basements, pushing Funko pops and copies of Hogwarts legacy out of the way of their crusty, rainbow light keyboards to claim their knowledge of a Chinese protest is infallible.

My god do they not let up either. Any rebuttal is shut down by these drones. Any mention of “what about the Americans many war crimes?” Activates their inner CIA sleeper agent, and they hit you with “commies are just whataboutism. That’s all they have. Well at least we have freedom. At least we aren’t committing genocide.” All extremely easy to debunk claims.

Don’t get me started on isr*el. They sure do love their ethnic cleansing. More so than even the loudest of American Republicans I’ve ever heard. To them, Gaza is all “terrorists”. They should all be killed in their eyes, their only hope of redemption is “non violent protest”, aka, just lay down and die. Never in my life have I seen a larger group of far right genocidal freaks than I have on Lemmy world.

It’s so ridiculous, it’s comical. Say something like “hey this is misinformation” and a thousand replies will hit your inbox, all from dudes that post things like “Hamas needs to be destroyed”, “people who don’t vote shouldn’t complain about anything” and my personal favorite one “Uh actually, I support the maori MPs getting suspended for doing the haka. That stupid dance is disruptive” (Yeah, real comments, not hyperbole)

The Nazis are in our backyard. And they should be bullied back to reddit where they belong.

  • blame [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    47·
    4 days ago

    No dude we can talk about the American war crimes another time. We’re talking specifically about the war crimes of the Soviet Union, a country that no longer exists. Yes I understand we never actually talk about American war crimes but I’m sorry you bringing that up is whataboutism, I don’t make the rules.

  • Luffy@lemmy.mlEnglish
    601·
    4 days ago

    Finally someone talking about them

    .world, while I havent explicitely Seen a nazi there yet, is completely Obsessed with their tankies. Its always „tankies this, tankies that, .ml bad because everyone is a tankie”

    They are like 1960s USA, just regurgitating some Image of a Communist Tankie and wanking off together when they draw a funny clown nose on it.

    And they should be bullied back to reddit where they belong.

    Apply that to just about anything open source.

    At a risk of sounding like a Nazi (which I am not, since if you ever cared about Human rights [more specifically access to information for everyone] you could have at any time just looked it up, since unlike with Geopolitics there is no reason for you to somehow be able to use sites like Lemmy, yet somehow not inform yourself about FOSS, therefore your knowledge with FOSS does not depend on any racial, ethnic, or gender factors, and therefore I literally cannot discriminate you based you something you aren’t mostly responsible for, and on the opposite, I am only judging you by your own Merits):

    Just fucking look at these Reddit refugee Communities. Somehow they never Start with „I am here because I hate capitalism” or „I never used a 3rd Party client, but when reddit starts restricting the worlds biggest concentration of information, my Right to information senses were tickling” (I personally just heard about the Fediverse when looking at Wordpress, since its regarded as that by some, and decided to switch completely when I beard about reddit shutting down the api)

    No. Its always: „I was personally affected, so I joined here”. They do not give a fuck about FOSS. They do not give a fuck about decentralisation. They only give a fuck about them not being able to talk.

    This is literally „first they came for the communists” type of shit happening here. But now instead of them having to live in their own shit that they made a reality in their first place by staying after the API thing, we just give them a free pass.

    If you are German, you have sure heard about the „denazification” that literally didn’t happen. This is the same. The 3rd Reich imploded, yet we for some reason still let the Nazis just live after them filling out a Quiz.

    1. Do you care about decentralisation (you don’t need to explain what that even means)? [Yes][No]
    2. Do you like Reddit? [Yes][No]

    You are officially rehabilitated!

    So down with the centralisation efforts of .world, fuck Reddit and don’t let any one of these people in who don’t care about why the FOSS community wants decentralisation.

  • brain_in_a_box [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    35·
    4 days ago

    I wonder how the admins of .ml feel about the software platform they developed being taken over by Reddit neoliberals who actively despise leftists more than anything else and are aggressively trying to drive .ml users off the fediverse (and succeeding).

    • Enjoyer_of_Games [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      21·
      3 days ago

      As I recall they specifically wanted there to be a popular liberal lemmy and their own joinlemmy site directed much of the growth of lemmy.world.

      I believe they viewed this as a distasteful but necessary action in order kill the cultural power of reddit. Even if a post-reddit multi-polarity is dominated by liberal sites it will still be preferable to the situation of a singularly dominant liberal site (reddit) that we have now.

  • ☂️-@lemmy.mlEnglish
    35·
    3 days ago

    whataboutism is effective propaganda to shut down discourse. china only looks bad in a vacuum and their cia brainwashers know this.

    i have blocked about 2/3rd of politics comms on lib instances and got banned from the other 3rd because i don’t really like US narratives and how they dismiss anything else while feeling smart as fuck.

  • MizuTama [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    541·
    4 days ago

    Lemmy world is more right wing than reddit

    1>1

    Most of world could just be a multireddit of r/worldnews and r/politics. Reddit has been doing all the same but is a bit better at dressing it in respectability politics imo and doesn’t have commies on the brain as often. Usually, the commies arguing on that site aren’t outright saying it and a lib wouldn’t recognize them without the giant “I’m a commie” sign instances suffixes give. I saw two people arguing with some chuds and then went into a digression about the contradictions of capitalism but without the “That’s a commie” sign no one noticed they were discussing theory.

    • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      48·
      4 days ago

      Reddit was populated for a while before the crisis of liberalism really sunk in. It wasn’t a website with a particular politics beyond the mainstream (biased towards white computer touchers obviously). It operates under a corporate media model which aims to be unoffensive (to potential advertisers and investors, specifically). The crop of alternative social media platforms which have launched since 2017 are a completely different breed. In the hands of liberals, they are operated under the assumption that an epistemological crisis is what’s fueling the global turn towards fascism. In an effort to combat this epistemological crisis, they have circled their wagons around the liberal institutions which are supposed to be responsible for safeguarding and delivering the truth - academia and journalism, as well as the institutions of “democracy,” which the “truth” is meant to sustain.

      They operate under the mindset that liberal democracy is hanging on by a thread, and that any criticism (or worse! Lack of respect) of these institutions undermines them, and undermines liberal democracy itself. With the enemies at the gate, any setback for the US is a setback for democracy. The scandalous positions (and omissions) of the Papers Of Record must be embraced uncritically, because if people lose faith in “journalism,” disinformation prevails. The end result is places like lemmy.world, where liberals find much more safety and comfort in naked imperialism than they do in a thorough examination of the manifold chronic institutional failures which led us to where we are today.

      While Reddit may be irredeemable on the whole, it has the potential to surprise you occasionally. It is different from these new platforms where the userbase is much more ideologically self-selected, and where dissidents are accurately identified as enemies, rather than a potential marketing category for vendors advertising Che Guevara t-shirts.

      • UltraGreen [comrade/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        331·
        4 days ago

        Exactly, .world is way more hivemind than reddit could ever hope to be. I’ve seen many more communist and actual leftists post on reddit than lemmy. Go through any of their comment history, it’s all stuff that teeters on the edge of being outright racist. And they have the gall to claim that all communists are racists.

        Hey sorry, what system do you believe in? Imperialism? Oh ok, yeah, totally not a racist ideology. They are so party loyal it’s insane. They truly believe they could vote away America’s fascist elements.

        “Let’s vote for the genocide supporting cop guys! She’s better than the orange man! I’m not racist, I just think those silly brown people in Palestine should stop complaining!”

        Vile mutts. These are the kinds of people that plunged the Soviet Union into crisis and ruined millions of lives because they "had to be free*.

        • QuietCupcake [any, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          30·
          4 days ago

          I completely agree with you and this is a spot on OP and comment, but just a little nit to pick… my hackles raise when I see “mutt” used as an insult. I’m sure I don’t have to explain why a word that means “mixed breed” has had a problematic past. I know you didn’t mean it that way, just trying to point out in a friendly way that all of us, myself included, would do well to examine our language. heart-sickle

          Chat, let me know if im being too pedantic.

          Edit:
          Also, for what it’s worth, I was recently pointing out in one of the threads lamenting the death of .ee how much worse .world is than lemm.ee and that even though we see a lot of idiot libs from .ee due to federation, it is .world that is successfully seeking to be reddit 2.0 and in doing so has amplified everything wrong with reddit-logo liberalism.

      • Skye [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        14·
        4 days ago

        I realize this comment is too late for a lot of people to still see, but I have to add something about reddit, unless we fall into the trap of erasing some of its terrible history because they have been trying to memoryhole it as hard as possible.

        CW: Pedophiles, sexual violence

        It wasn’t a website with a particular politics beyond the mainstream (biased towards white computer touchers obviously).

        I don’t think this is entirely true. In the early stages of reddit it was already more aligned with the kind of libertarian freeze-peach brainworms to the point that I remember normie liberals and people on older sites (including fucking 4chan) were oftentimes repulsed by it.

        Initially the main thing reddit was doing to set itself apart from other sites was to not “censor” communities like r/jailbait and various reddits dedicated to taking upskirt creepshots. The former was a community dedicated to sexualising actual, real-life, children and to post images and videos of them for people to masturbate to.

        Reddit did eventually cave and remove the very fucking worst shit on it and then pivoted hard to being the inoffensive. investor-friendly site for white keyboard touchers as you said, but I don’t think the truly awful shit they started out with should be forgotten either.

  • Maeve@kbin.earth
    401·
    4 days ago

    They’re pretty toxic. When I first came, almost every sub was pro-Palestinian genocide. They’ve started coming around (Johnny come lately) but have doubled down on Ukraine not Nazis.

    If that one dude that constantly masturbates to communism ever comes out of his denial closet, he’s going to be one hell of an ally.

    • Diva [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      38·
      4 days ago

      The posing like they suddenly care about Palestine is actually infuriating. I started using lemmy shortly after oct 7 and gravitated to .ml because it didn’t make me feel like I was going to lose my mind reading the comments.

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        8·
        3 days ago

        I’m not sure it’s posing, but it certainly could be. I think it’s because a few of us kept relentlessly countering the hasbara/US narrative. They think they’re incredibly clever, but breaking through centuries of multigenerational propaganda is hard.

        They readily admit legacy media is lying about a few topics but if it’s not touched them personally, they are having trouble breaking through the last layers of pig shit. And in more cases than not, even then. I have a feeling that’s going to change, sooner than later. I expect things to get uglier before better.

        Eta: I’m developing the preference to seek the refuge of the hard truths of .ml than the outright delusions of the wider Lemmy delusions.

        • Diva [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          4·
          3 days ago

          I am a bit cynical, but there’s a type of person who always seems to be ready to pick up whatever the current democrat line is. When Biden was in office it was endless excuses, somehow Israel was just this totally independent country and when they weren’t acting helpless it was handwringing about terrorism. Biden had no control over any of this but now suddenly when it’s Trump on top they’re all in opposition. If there’s been any introspection it certainly hasn’t extended to any other geopolitical narratives either.

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        5·
        3 days ago

        Ah yeah, that makes sense and seems to add up.

        Not sure why but replies are slow to federate, since last night.

        • Diva [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          1·
          22 hours ago

          It’s more subtle than simply being pro genocide explicitly, manifests more as things like criticism of things like “terrorism” in only one direction, or ‘both sides’. Everyone in this thread who is agreeing with Sunshine dragging hamid for “praising hamas” is pro genocide as far as I’m concerned, they’re all just soooo concerned about making sure both sides get criticism. Disgusting behavior.

          My experience has been that hexbear is not pro russia as much as they’re critical of it but also don’t buy the euromaiden was-not-a-coup narrative. Most of the .world side of lemmy is far more vocally supportive of Ukraine to the point of having entire comms dedicated to grisly snuff flims and thinly veiled ethnic slurs.

          I see your comparison, hexbear is “pro russia” in a way that their criticism of both sides is exaggerated for effect, and .world is “pro genocide” in a way that their criticism of both sides is exaggerated for effect. The problem I have is that while it can be summarized as such, there’s a distinct difference between the two when it comes to power. The war in Ukraine is essentially peer-level conflict between capitalist powers while in Palestine a colonial occupier is using a flimsy pretext to exterminate a captive population with full bipartisan US participation.

          • irelephant [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            22 hours ago

            I’m in no way an “all sides” guy, but hamas is also harmful to Palestine.

            Israel depends on hamas to justify their genocide, that’s why they funded them.

            • Diva [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              1·
              21 hours ago

              Yeah, that case can be made. Israel would also find any pretext they need for their genocide, it certainly didn’t start with hamas. I’m also not going to shit on people who are far closer to a genocide than I am for having a strong opinion on the matter.

  • TrustedFeline [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    14·
    3 days ago

    I visited a propaganda subreddit, and now reddit routinely shows me colorized nazi propaganda with zero context. I could hide the sub, and get reddit to appear more left. But it’s definitely way to the right of the world libs

  • Chana [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    21·
    4 days ago

    And like all right wingers they are afraid of right-punching and accordingly left-punch with censorship based on bullshit shibboleths rather than concrete and true criticisms.