• Natanael@slrpnk.net
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    16 days ago

    You do not understand what happens to hunger regulation.

    The human body fundamentally don’t have a concept of too much fat. It only really has a concept of “close to the highest fat mass we’ve had” or “below highest”. It keeps recalibrating for your new highest and will make you want to eat more until you get back there. That’s it’s mechanism to drive you to avoid starvation, because it doesn’t know what “overweight” is.

    Any long term treatment needs to focus on that regulation mechanism and recalibrate it down. We don’t know how to do that yet, all we can do is silence the hunger or change absorption.

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        16 days ago

        You’re being purposely obtuse. If you believe addiction is a disease, then overeating is also a disease. We have drugs and research guided methods to help deal with both. If its cruel to force addicts to quit cold turkey, then its also true of forcing clinically overweight patients to entirely change their lifestyle. (All the while being vocally judged and mocked)

        Most of these people have tried losing weight through diet and exercise and want to get better, but as the other commenter has mentioned, their mind and body works against them. That’s also ignoring the societal conditions pushing us all to calorically dense, quick-n-easy meals and a working schedule that doesn’t allow us much free time to exercise.

        As a disclosure, I am 6’0" and 200lbs. Down 30lbs from 3-4 years ago using strictly diet and exercise. BUT I’m also an athletic trainer and my office is in a gym I can use for free.

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        16 days ago

        You have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to eat correctly when your body screams at you that it’s wrong. Starvation is used as a torture method, and deliberate unassisted weight loss triggers the exact same regulatory reaction in the body even if you’re not actually starving, because the body only sees “loss of fat levels”.

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            15 days ago

            That’s an exceptionally ironic response to scientific studies pointing mapping out the chemical processes behind the above. You’re just desperately trying to justify feeling better than others.

            Some people can drop severe drug addictions on their own. Most can’t. Do you treat ex addicts that way too? Tell them it’s agency and responsibility when their fucked up chemical response messes with their head?

            If you actually wanted to help others, you’d spend less time condemning people you don’t know and spend more time figuring out why they have problems

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        15 days ago

        Well if you’ve looked into this at all you’d see people CANNOT. Hypothetically people can, but in reality, people can only lose weight short term and then they gain it back.

        You’re arguing a point that has no evidence beyond “well I personally think it SHOULD work like this!”