Lowering the number of humans in a natural way is a good thing
I don’t think that’s strictly true, as emissions per capita have little correlation with raw population size.
Also, when the Eugenics Axe falls, it inevitably falls on the weakest and most vulnerable. Shrinking the population will reduce the number of homeless folks, not the number of super yacht owners.
we depend on a system that relies on constant grow
We target growth of GDP, limits on inflation, and a low single digit unemployment rate. All of that can be achieved regardless of gross population size.
Consequently, we’ve built an economy that focuses on gaming these three numbers without regard to life expectancy, mortality rate, education rate, per capita hours worked, or real economic value produced.
We’re just as happy to AI generate movie hours as grow corn or build homes. We’re just as happy to bomb a hospital as build an MRI machine.
That’s the rub in our economic calculus. If we were just trying to maximize the growth rate of - say - watts of power to each household? Or vacation days allocated to each worker? Or healthy life years? We have a large frontier in front of us to grow into.
I don’t know what you mean by eugenics axe, but I was not talking about any kind of intervention, rather the opposite, let just not panic over ageing and just try to find a way for the economy to adapt to it.
you can say what you want, but humanity has multiplied and the planet resources are limited. So the current plan of keep multiplying doesn’t seem reasonable. For as much effort anyone does to not pollute, having kids is by far the biggest pollution source.
Also is not like being many humans is lowering the power gap, rich people just have more people to abuse.
To finish my point, I’m European, and unlike America, here the mid/high class are not ultra Catholic having tenths of kids, so my perspective could be a bit different than yours. There is not a clear correlation between wealth and kids, if anything inverse.
No. But then you’re not the one setting these policies, just kinda observing their consequences from a limited vantage point.
let just not panic over ageing
This isn’t a panic over aging so much as a malaise over having kids. Exorbitant rents, depressed wages, and suffocating inflation - particularly in health care and education - make children cost prohibitive.
Consequently, policy makers (largely past the baby making age) are resorting to increasingly draconian methods decide who gets to procreate and to what degree.
“White Replacement Theory” dominating public political discussions can only end in widespread social murder.
humanity has multiplied and the planet resources are limited
The resources aren’t being used equitably. Ergo, “humanity” isn’t to blame in the aggregate.
I’m European, and unlike America, here the mid/high class are not ultra Catholic having tenths of kids
Bro, I’m an American Catholic with exactly one sibling.
Deranged beliefs like this are exactly what end in genocide.
dude you’re tripping. And again, in American context might make sense, but I’m telling you, American social reality is not the only one. And American society, you Catholic specially, are the most preachy and “get involved in people’s life” of them all. In most European countries we don’t give a fuck about what our neighbours are doing, unlike you guys that keep exporting your morals to anyone around you and their dog, so don’t you give me lessons about interventionism.
But let’s be real, talking with Americans, specially Catholic, is useless… you guys chose trump… TWICE!
No. But then you’re not the one setting these policies, just kinda observing their consequences from a limited vantage point.
let just not panic over ageing
This isn’t a panic over aging so much as a malaise over having kids. Exorbitant rents, depressed wages, and suffocating inflation - particularly in health care and education - make children cost prohibitive.
Consequently, policy makers (largely past the baby making age) are resorting to increasingly draconian methods decide who gets to procreate and to what degree.
“White Replacement Theory” dominating public political discussions can only end in widespread social murder.
humanity has multiplied and the planet resources are limited
The resources aren’t being used equitably. Ergo, “humanity” isn’t to blame in the aggregate.
I’m European, and unlike America, here the mid/high class are not ultra Catholic having tenths of kids
Bro, I’m an American Catholic with exactly one sibling.
This is what comes to mind to me every time “the demographic problem” of aging population comes up.
Lowering the number of humans in a natural way is a good thing and economy should evolve into supporting that, not the other way around.
But we depend on a system that relies on constant grow instead so a bunch of people can rape kids without repercussion…
I don’t think that’s strictly true, as emissions per capita have little correlation with raw population size.
Also, when the Eugenics Axe falls, it inevitably falls on the weakest and most vulnerable. Shrinking the population will reduce the number of homeless folks, not the number of super yacht owners.
We target growth of GDP, limits on inflation, and a low single digit unemployment rate. All of that can be achieved regardless of gross population size.
Consequently, we’ve built an economy that focuses on gaming these three numbers without regard to life expectancy, mortality rate, education rate, per capita hours worked, or real economic value produced.
We’re just as happy to AI generate movie hours as grow corn or build homes. We’re just as happy to bomb a hospital as build an MRI machine.
That’s the rub in our economic calculus. If we were just trying to maximize the growth rate of - say - watts of power to each household? Or vacation days allocated to each worker? Or healthy life years? We have a large frontier in front of us to grow into.
But we’re not doing any of that.
I don’t know what you mean by eugenics axe, but I was not talking about any kind of intervention, rather the opposite, let just not panic over ageing and just try to find a way for the economy to adapt to it.
you can say what you want, but humanity has multiplied and the planet resources are limited. So the current plan of keep multiplying doesn’t seem reasonable. For as much effort anyone does to not pollute, having kids is by far the biggest pollution source.
Also is not like being many humans is lowering the power gap, rich people just have more people to abuse.
To finish my point, I’m European, and unlike America, here the mid/high class are not ultra Catholic having tenths of kids, so my perspective could be a bit different than yours. There is not a clear correlation between wealth and kids, if anything inverse.
No. But then you’re not the one setting these policies, just kinda observing their consequences from a limited vantage point.
This isn’t a panic over aging so much as a malaise over having kids. Exorbitant rents, depressed wages, and suffocating inflation - particularly in health care and education - make children cost prohibitive.
Consequently, policy makers (largely past the baby making age) are resorting to increasingly draconian methods decide who gets to procreate and to what degree.
“White Replacement Theory” dominating public political discussions can only end in widespread social murder.
The resources aren’t being used equitably. Ergo, “humanity” isn’t to blame in the aggregate.
Bro, I’m an American Catholic with exactly one sibling.
Deranged beliefs like this are exactly what end in genocide.
dude you’re tripping. And again, in American context might make sense, but I’m telling you, American social reality is not the only one. And American society, you Catholic specially, are the most preachy and “get involved in people’s life” of them all. In most European countries we don’t give a fuck about what our neighbours are doing, unlike you guys that keep exporting your morals to anyone around you and their dog, so don’t you give me lessons about interventionism.
But let’s be real, talking with Americans, specially Catholic, is useless… you guys chose trump… TWICE!
Well, there it is folks.
Anyone want to guess this guy’s opinion on Muslims?
No. But then you’re not the one setting these policies, just kinda observing their consequences from a limited vantage point.
This isn’t a panic over aging so much as a malaise over having kids. Exorbitant rents, depressed wages, and suffocating inflation - particularly in health care and education - make children cost prohibitive.
Consequently, policy makers (largely past the baby making age) are resorting to increasingly draconian methods decide who gets to procreate and to what degree.
“White Replacement Theory” dominating public political discussions can only end in widespread social murder.
The resources aren’t being used equitably. Ergo, “humanity” isn’t to blame in the aggregate.
Bro, I’m an American Catholic with exactly one sibling.