Update: Due to overwhelming support for defederation, we will be going through with that at 12am Moscow time (approx. 8hrs from now). Thanks to everyone who provided their feedback.
It’s come to our attention that the admins of europe.pub are allowing pro-genocide rhetoric and Nazi propaganda to be freely posted on their instance.
Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the Poland@europe.pub comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.
Due to these factors and the unwillingness of europe.pub admins to act, we are holding a vote to defederate from their instance. Please comment with either an emote or yes/no to the question: should we defederate from europe.pub?
or “Yes” - Defederate
or “No” - Remain federated
GOOD bit
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The only activity on that instance is the admin, the nazi and hexbears.
If an instance is making it more difficult to maintain a safe space for marginalized people on hexbear, that’s when it needs to be axed. But it seems to me that a lot of these “yes, defederate!” arguments are more just about how obviously wrong and bad the mods and admins of these other instances are. And yes, they are wrong and bad, they’re fucking disgusting. But by cutting ourselves off from ever being able to even see the shit they post, are we helping hexbear be a better place, or are we only making it so our correct analyses and perspectives are seen by even fewer people (including lurkers and potential comrades on the sidelines)? I’m not saying I have the answer to that question, I do lean more towards it being the latter, but maybe I’m wrong.
The most interesting threads to me are often the ones where hexbears, lemmygraders, and some .ml’s are schooling the libs and tearing down the fash. When we defederate from the instances where said libs and fash think they won’t get any pushback, we not only make it so those threads don’t happen for us anymore (and I respect those who prefer that, dgmw), it also makes it so all that disgusting shit goes more unopposed on the rest of the “lemmyverse.” It also makes it so our comrades on .ml, those who do speak up to counter the lies, are more likely to get dogpiled into silence without hexbears even knowing, let alone being able to come to their aid in the posting trenches.
It looks like this is already a landslide for “yes” but I still just have to say that I feel like by doing that we’re just making it easier for them and (while it might seem parodoxical) worse in the long run for us, for reasons similar to what others like @Babs@hexbear.net and @SevenSkalls@hexbear.net already said elsewhere in this thread.
Nie mam siły patrzeć na takich kompletnych debili, weźcie się kurwa pozbądźcie ich żebym mógł znowu lurkować w spokoju. Nie mam jakiegokolwiek zamiaru widzieć takiego gówna sortując po
A poza tym kim ona jest, żeby zarządzać społeczność o Polsce? Czy ona nawet umię gram polskiego? Czy jest zaznajomina z naszą kulturą (lub jej brakiem lol), realiami politycznimi i ten teges? Jakby z takim podejściem do Rosji to pasowała by w sam raz do naszych libków ale chuj, tylko tyle ją łączy na pierwszy rzut oka. Jakby też, co to kurwa za posty, powinna pisać w społeczności ukraińskiej czy coś.
Ingles?
Nie chcę mi się kurwa, poradzisz se. Mądra z ciebie morda.
The arc of history is long but it kurwas towards justice
They were just doing a drive to try to get people to mod for that comm. As we know they settled for a fascist, which makes them no better. I’m sure they wouldn’t have allowed any communist (read: “aUtHoRiTaRiAn”) Pole into the position. But if you made an .ml account and most importantly, hid your power levels, they might let you onto the small mod team, especially if they were having as hard a time as they claimed finding any takers. Your fluency would probably go a long ways with winning them over. Obviously you’d have to actually want to take on the hassle of doing it, and playing a part for a while, but I don’t know, some people would find that fun and amusing. If you made it on, just playing the “fair and balanced” card, I’d bet you could help ensure some actual reality makes it through rather than every single good comment getting removed. Just a thought.
Yeah would be fun I guess, but I’m a dirty grass touching org member now. Unfortunately I’ve got important things to do, rather than worry about some random ass forum on the internet. I’ll just stick to posting on here from time to time.
Without a doubt, that’s the healthier, better option.
Still
tho
Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the Poland@europe.pub comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.
The real fucked up thing is being a mod of a Polish comm while denying war crimes perpetuated against Polish people. This is how far gone the admins are in “sticking it to Putler.”
I have no idea what this discourse is about, but any opportunity to have fewer white Europeans interacting with us on a daily basis is objectively a win.
europe.ppb
- I don’t think I’ve ever seen an @europe.pub user here having good opinions, like I fairly frequently do with @lemmy.db0.com users, for example.
Isnt dbz an anarchist instance? It would explain the ideological overlap
More of an “anarchist” instance. The last defed discussion was regarding them, because their admins insist on being shitheads.
One of their comms temp banned a bunch of us recently for
when we posted flippant negative comments in a “dae hate tankies” thread.Tbf that’s just a comm but I haven’t seen “Hexbear brigading” accusations since we got defedded by a bunch of instances after implementing federation in the first place
It’s always so funny when shitlibs complain about
. I can’t even blame it on “not understanding how lemmy works” because it’s directly transplanted 
behavior and doesn’t even have instances.
That was actually Feddit.uk for terf island nonsense. 0
I forgot about that one
I don’t care either way, never remember interacting with them. But I do love a close race, give my vote to the losing side please.
No.
I always learn something whenever we bully people and the folks here bring out their paragraphs of sources.
Removed by mod
I don’t have strong feelings either way. They’ll probably defed from us on their own eventually.
No, because reform and opening up must continue.
Make them defederate so they can remain Nazis. The only reason to cut contact should be to protect users and in the words of the bard: “cyber bullying isn’t real!”
- how do we bully them if we defed
