• dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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    Meanwhile if you put a couple of solar panels on your roof without filling out nineteen different forms in triplicate, providing a notarized drawing by a licensed architectural firm, paying $2000 in fees plus enduring the eleven month processing time, your local code authority will put a lien on your property and send a SWAT team to your house.

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    It’s sad that the norm is to expect those in power will try to ruin lives as fast and as efficiently as possible. Just why… They have billions of dollars already… Why

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      Because they’re in a race against each other that they can never win. Elon Musk may have gotten a little wiggle room from his competition when SpaceX went public but you can bet your ass (cause I know all of you don’t have a dollar to waste) Larry Page is running his brain ragged trying to think about how he becomes the most powerful one. It’s just a pissing contest and unfortunately they’re really careless

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      I ask myself the same question. It feels like such an empty life. More and more money that they would need many lifetimes to be able to spend, which will be worth absolutely useless if and when they end up fucking up the whole world. It doesn’t make sense at all. Yes, it’s nice to have money to buy whatever you want, I won’t argue that, but come on. At this point I’m leaning towards them just having so much fucking ego that they can’t stop anymore. If anyone has another possible explanation, I’d really like to know.

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    Wasn’t this protected by the State because alleged DoD application? This is one of many reasons we cut it with England, just saying.

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    I have a suspicion they put the gas turbines near those communities specifically to fuck with them the same way they bulldozed poor neighborhoods for roads

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        Yup, the “penalty costs” are just costs of doing business. And the richer they get, the less impactful the penalty is so it gets easier to write off.

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      Not really. If he has permissions for a temporary install, it is above board. He just needs to get a permanent permit before moving to a long term generator instead of temporary fixes.

      Should the permissions have been blocked? Now that’s a diff question

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        So you’re just going to parrot Elon Musk’s public statement about why he doesn’t need permission? Get outta here!

        He has more than 2x as many turbines than is allowed for a temporary install. The article makes it abundantly clear that these things are illegal.

        Musk doesn’t have permission to do this, no matter what excuse he gives.

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      While I hate being cold to peoples suffering, didn’t most of them vote for the face eating leopard party. They asked for their corporate overlords personal profit to be protected from their lungs, their environment, any consideration. They asked for billionaires to be above the law.

      They are clearly being wronged here, there should be heavy fines, shutdowns and even jail time but my empathy is in short supply

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        About 40% of Mississippi voters voted for Kamala Harris. Additionally, about 38% of the state’s residents are black.

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        Just because they voted for a leopard to eat their face, doesn’t mean they deserve to have their face eaten

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Blacks typically vote mostly for Democrats while whites typically vote for Republicans. So black neighborhoods are commonly not getting representation.

        Mississippi is about as Jim Crow as it can possibly be, so it doesn’t surprise me if white supremacist elected officials are pushed into office via gerrymandering, voter suppression and election tampering.

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        The other side of the duopoly would be doing the same, they both need to be removed.

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          People are downvoting because they can’t reconcile one side being better than the other with both sides being bad. Is sacrificing citizens for AI companies a partisan issue? Does the mainstream democratic party oppose the unsustainable construction of data centers and what happens to people near those data centers?

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            The lesser of two evils is still evil

            The people might want to ask themselves about the illusion of choice. The duopoly never loses, it’s all a right wing con, the filthy rich are always in control.

            Maybe try democracy and vote for a different party…

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                The only mention of a party named ‘reform’ I have previously heard of is in the uk, where reform is a far right party, the uk have multiple other parties, just as every real democracy does.

                The reform party in the USA apparently doesn’t even have ballot access. You have political parties that cannot be voted for? wtaf

                There are other options, but the USA is the least democratic ‘democracy’ that has ever existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

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                  I mean the voting system needs to be reformed. There is no reform party, and cannot be because the voting system allows for only two parties. If Tucker Carlson or whoever manages to create a different far right party that steals more than 5% but less than 95% of the vote from the current far right party, that’s bad for far right voters because the less right party will always come out ahead in major elections.

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    The sheep’s are sleeping, no one will do something about this. Welcome to the reality.

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    One man harming thousands. Sounds like a crime that would be punishable by death in olden times.

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      There was an incident in South Korea some years ago where a greedy developer built an apartment building with substandard concrete; the building later collapsed and killed a few hundred people. The guy was tried and convicted and as he was being frog-marched to his sentencing hearing, friends and relatives of the victims were coming out of the crowd and beating him while his escorts just looked away.

      It’s really enjoyable to imagine that happening here in the US, but then it’s enjoyable to imagine winning the lottery, too.

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      People like this would be shot. People would group together and hire gunmen to get rid of criminals in the old west.

      Of course their security was just a few body guards and that’s it. Nobody was living in high tech buildings separate from everyone else.

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    people did that work, just because elon musk tells people what to do doesn’t mean those people should be exonerated from the consequences as well. the people doing the work sure as shit falls out there ass, know there was no permit. if there no permit, then why not a great fire ball in the night sky.

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      Yea I’m not sure why this isn’t the normal way to think. The logic of “they are just doing a job and getting theirs” doesn’t hold up for everything so where is the line for these people?

      Oh shucks i see you’ve signed up to drag me to the death camp! Not your fault! You’re just getting yours! Now let me be polite and handcuff myself!

      We need to be more serious.

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      Yes. I’m pretty sure it’s a contractor’s job to get the permits. Is it not?

      Not removing blame from Elon. Just smearing the blame around cause all those fucks are responsible

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      At some point participation is complicity but unless we make it hostile to work with, for, or in the interests of these inhuman monsters, people won’t know not to. Labour is not in a position to know what work is illegal or not.

      Working for the wealthy needs to be seen as a threat against society. It’s deeply anti-social. We have no way to differentiate them in their range of evil, and they made it impossible to find out. So at some point, to protect the working, poor and middle classes, if you’re wealthy, you’re a threat. Don’t want to be treated as a threat? Give up your wealth and join the peasantry. We need to police our own to protect ourselves from the threat of wealth.

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      I agree, Elon is not at fault here. All he did was finance it with enough money to convince people to ignore the law.

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          Sorry, my sarcasm did not translate through text. I was trying to poke at the original commenters shifting of blame from Elon to the people that he hired

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    Im sure the American legal system will get those wheels of justice spinning on this in a few years.

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      No, but Julia Roberts and Meryl Streep will win hella Oscars playing the plucky white women who “take them down.”

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      My city finally got a court order against a billionaire for unpermitted building that allows us to bulldoze his house. Just took 7 years in court to get the ruling…

      And instead of bulldozing the house, we were able to use the court order to strongarm them into fixing their site so it no longer damages the environment, their neighbors, or city infrastructure.

      The upside for the city there (aside from having to bid out and manage a major project in-house) is that we get a lot more tax revenue from a house that is brought into compliance than a scarred, demolished site.

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    Funny how the self proclaimed savior of humanity keeps treating regulations like optional DLC: If anyone else ran 59 gas turbines without permits they would be buried in fines. Billionaires call it innovation, everyone breathing nearby calls it another asthma attack waiting to happen.

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      Don’t worry, it’s only affecting a poor area. No billionairs are affected.

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      keeps treating regulations like optional DLC

      He, like any shillionaire, sees people as NPCs.

      That’s why he was so enthusiastic to kill infants, children, teens and adults by cutting USAID.

      If he’s ever admitted to a hospital, I genuinely hope that he’s left to suffer and rot.

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        These fuckers don’t go to hospitals, they have personal clinics and on call concierge doctors anywhere anytime.

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    I swear I read an article about this months ago… is it the same data center and they still didn’t stop the gas turbines, or is this another one?

    Either way: fuck Musk and fuck the government who laid the foundations for such atrocities.

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      Seriously…

      If we are to learn from history, and the successes of various resistance groups in Europe when occupied by the Nazis, we would learn that targetting the higher ups and figureheads don’t work. What DOES work, is targeting the workers - the average people who facilitate the machine. When the architect of the holocaust was assassinated, it only sped things up and made it worse. So instead resistance groups started doing drive bys on average ol’ Deborah’s and Johns who was employed to operate the Nazi bureaucracy, do the paperwork, doing the monitoring, doing the deliveries, average folk who worked for them - as destabilizing the machinery is far more effective than targeting figureheads. As leftists know so well - it’s the workers that do all the work.

      So rather than shooting Musk, it will genuinely be more effective to shoot at Tesla/SpaceX/X employees until they stop showing up to work. Same goes for banks, private equity firms, hedge funds, healthcare insurance companies, etc. They don’t even have security detail. There’s a million other jobs they could be doing, real work like helping to rebuild, instead they choose to make these demons dreams come true in exchange for a financial bribe. As my atheist father would say about religion - “I fear not the cult leader, but the millions who follow them.” Workers and employees of these companies are just as fair, and empirically more effective targets than the billionaire CEOs.

      …In a videogame, of course. I would never incite self-defence violence.

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      Shoot him into space on one of his or Bezos’ rockets. Watch him explode as a result of the very thing he tried to accomplish.

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        Spacexs operational rockers are a standard of reliability

        Blue needs a operational launchpad first, they kinda blew up their only one

        Also that would be a rather quick death

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      It needs to die ugly. All the musk children need to die or be sterilized. Everything it cares about needs to end, and be thrown into wherever we decide to dispose of used nuclear fuel.

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      Along with any dipshit using AI to begin with. As much of a complete piece of shit as musk is (and he is a HUGE piece of shit), the end users of this shit share in the blame too. Any idiot using grok or whatever the fuck anthropic call their horseshit are culpable.

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        To a proportionate degree yes, but AI is being shoved down the throats of workers and subsidized by the companies providing it too. I have some sympathy for the clueless grandma, or the person who’s genuinely lost their mind thanks to this.

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          I have zero sympathy for the willfully ignorant. There’s more than enough information and evidence that this shit is horrible on many fronts, and anyone who has managed to ignore it is toeing into dangerously stupid territory. Making excuses for dumb assholes is how we’ve ended up with the stupidest cunts ever running things.

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            Dario Amodei is the one renting out the servers while pretending to he’s the Wholesome Ethical AI Guy. His behavior is nearly on par with Musk here.

            I’m much more interested in him (behavior that’s extremely intentional, with the added slime of being deceptive and yet enjoying a ton of undeserved, fawning PR) than the average clueless Meemaw. Similar to many other trash systems, you have to look at the people maintaining the system, not the people using it.