Just sat through a disheartening video from my former drum-teachers at Drumeo, about how AI is inevitable and that musicians that don’t use AI will be left behind, comparing it to when tractors came to farming… wtf?
The victims of dark marketing. The message is everywhere: AI is inevitable. And people who aren’t with it are like (the fictional version of) the Luddites.
Instead of, you know, people who can do arithmetic and see that this round of AI will be dead by the end of 2027, likely, and definitely before 2030.
It’s inevitable! Just like crypto and NFTs!
Yeah, that whole sphere just radically reshaped society exactly as predicted and didn’t just turn into a cesspool of scams!
Brandon is also a religious whacko
I found that hugely disappointing
Guess I’ll unsubscribe. 👍 Thanks!
I’m still waiting for these AI assholes to “leave me behind”. Okay! Have a nice trip!
What was their reasoning? In what ways would “ai” (which is LLM at the moment) help musicians and especially drummers?
I can’t think of a way LLMs could improve musicians.
One example that the owner used was: (from memory not direct quote) lets say someone liked our piano teacher, but the piano teacher doesn’t do jazz, we could then make an AI generated video with her teaching jazz-piano, assuming she would be ok with it (as he looks over his shoulder to an visible uncomfortable piano teacher).
They where quick to say that so far they haven’t used any AI-generated music or lessons, but they clearly see it as a possibility in the future, to “keep up”.So by “keep up” what he really means is maximizing his profit from you, that as soon as a virtual jazz piano teacher is cheaper than a real one, (no matter the quality) the real one can fuck off while he counts his money.
Ok, so music education specifically… Sadly I can see that.
How to just play instruments and general basic features of genres… I could see generative AI able to do things on that front. Most notably ability to analyze your performance and identify gaps. Basic rote stuff without need for creativity or soul. The same stuff that countless musicians have already done. I don’t think there is a need to genAI up pre-recorded, non interactive lessons, but I could buy interactive AI experience as being feasible and competitive.
At least in theory, though I see that video of someone asking for feedback on their music and it’s just literal random farting and the AI was still quite complimentary. But Iif someone told me someone curated a more specialized GenAI experienced that worked better in the context… I would at least believe in the feasibility.
Well, see, LLM makes everything better, faster, harder, stronger. So obviously you must spend thousands in it, or you will fall behind in every single way imaginable.
You’ve clearly not heard any of the Ai generated music.
Oh we’ve heard it. It’s shit. Good for a laugh and that’s about it.
Right, parent commenter seems to be under the impression that chat bots are all it is.
I have, it’s not an improvement over musicians. I see no way it could help a musician. I can see how it could help a non musician generate something that can pass for music, but I don’t see a musician getting use out of AI.
For writing music, if you could write music before, AI can’t help you. If you know how but just have a creative block, random AI crap won’t be any better in a musicians hands than a random person.
When it comes to performing, largely virtual instruments without AI could already handle those credibly. Stuff like violin might have taken longer, but it got there. The one exception is vocals, where vocaloid was about as far as non AI could get and while interesting, no one was going to mistake vocaloid for real singer. AI vocals can pass for a phoned in vocal performance. But I’d just as soon have a real singer, there’s no shortage thanks to decades of music and the Internet.
I have. It’s shit. You’d have to have a tin ear not to hear that.
I don’t care, I refuse to use AI in my music, I make music with machines already I don’t need them making melodies for me or whole transitions or anything. Music making is a human expression, a human experience, a fun thing to do and ease your mind, throwing an LLM in the mix just throws all of that off. I suppose if you are doing commercial music it is inevitable, but if you are an artist releasing your own music there’s really no excuse besides laziness
Bad news, if AI causes musicians to be denied a livelihood, it doesn’t matter if the musician adopts AI or not.
The mechanism for this would be that random slop generator is valued as highly as human written/performed music, and no amount of using AI will keep the musician “ahead” of the curve.
If the good musician uses AI with the same care taken for their own music, it probably won’t speed up the creative process.
Depressingly, I’ve seen enough slop released as “music” that I can believe the music economy has been terribly diluted by AI, but adopting AI won’t fix the problem for the musician that already has the skills to not need AI.
If people stop thinking, the people who own the ais will be in charge of what they thinK and what they can do.
Huh? Any more context than that? (Or a vidlink?) . Where does the idiotic AI bubble overlap with drumming according to these genius practitioners and soothsayers?
I have a whole lot I’d like to say here but I’ll hold off until there’s more info.
Until then , don’t stop drumming.
The video is only available to members on their site, so I no longer have access to it.
The video started out with a “sad” story about someone who posted some SUNO crap and got flack for it, and then went on about how people who didn’t embrace new technology would be left behind.
Full disclosure… I did not watch the video to the end, I generally try to keep cool and not get too emotional about things, but this had my blood boiling.
Hmmh. I think we’re already past posting some SUNO crap and getting flack. I mean reportedly, there’s already a lot of “AI music” on Spotify. We had the first “AI artists” on some billboards for R&B, country, pop, christian music(?)… And I get “AI music” on YouTube. And I’m fairly sure some small minority of retail stores here have (very nasty) “AI music”.
But it’s not like it’s good? To this date it’s some very bland shit you’d play in the elevator or on the loo. I’ve never felt anything when listening to it the same way I feel when listening to some old Pink Floyd album or whatever. And I doubt people will go to a music festival and there’s ChatGPT on stage… I’m fairly sure AI will have a hard time displacing proper art. I mean sure, pop music, the billionths love song text, samples, it’ll creep in to music. But we already have drum computers, electronic music. And to be fair, bands like The Prodigy never needed any drummer. But I really think from a perspective of someone who listens to music intentionally, there’s no chance AI will take over the entire thing. It’s just neither good, nor can it play concerts, nor does the music mean anything.
And from the hobby musician’s perspective, I’d say music is entirely for humans. It’s your personal enjoyment to play folk songs on the accordion, pop covers on the acoustic guitar at the fireplace or bring your fiddle and flute to the session at the irish pub. Or meet with your band mates in the practice room every week to play some punk rock and drink a lot of beer. AI can’t ever take that away.
I don’t have anything against using tools to do a job, I worked in a analog recording studio back in the 90’ when computers for real started to made their entrance in music, and I welcomed the changes with open arms, I even thought that the LinnDrum was a cool instrument, but AI is not just a tool, at best it’s giving away your creativity, at worst it’s giving away your work so that someone who knows how to “prompt” can make a “better” version.
there’s no chance AI will take over the entire thing. It’s just neither good, nor can it play concerts, nor does the music mean anything.
Guess I’m a bit more pessimistic about it than you, I know there will always be people like me who likes to make music without the use of AI, but I have seen what stuff like autotune have done to the industry, and I fear that AI will become the only thing people hear.
Guess I’m making some sort of distinction between “the industry” and what kind of music I listen to… I’d agree. In the realm of commercial music, if the point of your band is to sell a lot of music… you’d probably use all the tools available. And it’s definitely a thing. Most modern pop artists on the radio have some other people write the music for them or at least the harmonics and general layout. Designed to appease and have some well tested standard chord progressions. They almost always do autotune. And it’s some self-reinforcing feedback cycle with the audience. We also have music genres which rely on (audible) autotune as some stylistic element. I more or less don’t consider it art anyway. There’s a select few songs of that kind I consider original and nice. Other than that it’s some mass-produced homogenous mainstream shit. So I just don’t know if I consider it a loss once it’s designed or sung by AI… It might happen, though.
All I can say is, the last music festival I attended had a vast majority of bands with more genuine music. A minimum of autotune, the audience generally doesn’t want playback either. No AI and a lot of declaring war against the fascists in politics 😁 I’m a bit too old to tell what teenagers listen to these days. But I suspect from the perspective of people who really like music on a level which surpasses mainstream radio… Idk… There still seems to be some broad majority who doesn’t like overproduced music. At least that’s the bubble I’m at.
Same. Except software development.
I don’t get it either. What’s it gonna do? Replace Chad Smith, and the next time I get to watch the Red Hot Chili Peppers, it’s ChatGPT at the drums? I doubt it?!
Can you give a bit more information on which video this was? We’re subscribed mostly for non-drum stuff and I’d like to know which video contained this crap to evaluate further steps.
It’s the July Ask us anything video called “Ask Us Anything - How Should Musora Use AI?”
Is this guy speaking for drummers or musicians? Drummers have been replaced for decades. I imagine “AI” might finish the job, except human drummers are cheaper.
inevitable
Vogons!
I use Moises to pull out drum tracks so I can play along to my fav songs or try them with a drum part I think is better. That’s it for AI in music, though.
Apart from that I use AI to help catalogue recordings, keep my audio production disk well-maintained, and assist with troubleshooting things like latency spikes or excessive noise when all the usual obvious things don’t work. It’s all about more time making music and less time fucking around with shit.
Were they referring to this sort of stuff? Or were they actually talking about letting AI be involved in the creative process? There’s a big difference.
Do you feel safe uploading your own work to an AI? That’s like asking a wolf to guard your sheep, IMO.
I have not seen any obvious use of AI in music-production… yet, but the way Jared spoke about it made me feel uncomfortable sharing my own music on their site, I don’t want my music to help train AI.
Gleefully upload awful shit, poison them at their source
Drumeo are threatening you with being “ left behind” if you don’t upload your own recordings to their platform? And it has something to do with so called ‘AI’ I smell a scam.
I’d be very interested in reading their license terms on whatever this is. For a laugh.
I respect your instincts not trusting this. I never used drumeo because I’m old (mainly). If you found use in it, then it must be disappointing and a real loss of trust to whatever degree there was any.
Sounds like youve already unsubscribed so you get the last laugh. GG . Again, keep drumming.
To be fair, nobody is telling me to upload my own recordings, but an important part of Drumeo is the evaluation, and to be evaluated, you have to upload something, and the things I mostly want evaluated is how I play our own music.
As for their license, this one stood out for me:
“By submitting the User Information, you hereby grant Musora a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive worldwide license to use, reproduce, adapt, modify, create derivative works from, sub-license, transmit, distribute, publish, publicly perform, display or otherwise exploit any or all portions of such User Information in any manner and media and by means of any technology now known or hereinafter developed. In addition, you hereby waive all moral rights in and to such User Information.”They show such restraint! They don’t even attempt to claim any of your children, let alone your firstborn!
Do you feel safe uploading your own work to an AI?
I’ll let you know if I ever do?
