cross-posted from : https://lemmy.world/post/49585184

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5, 10 or 15 percent? Card terminals are increasingly asking for tips.

You may have had to do this lately too: choosing what percentage tip you want to give on the card terminal when paying in a restaurant or bar. Or clicking ‘no tip’ after all.

The number of hospitality businesses doing this is growing, and we are also tipping more often when we have to choose. This is evident from figures shared by payment companies with the NOS. When giving such a tip, we most often choose 5 percent from the options of 5, 10, 15 percent, or a self-chosen amount.

Hospitality businesses using payment and software company Tebi can decide for themselves whether to display the menu. It turns out that at coffee shops where you order at a counter, the percentage of tippers skyrockets when they ask for a tip. Almost no one adds a tip by card if no request is displayed, but with a request, that figure is over 20 percent.

In upscale restaurants, customers often leave a tip by card anyway, even if not asked. With a tipping menu, even more people do so, according to the figures. Percentage of transactions with a tip

At surf school and beach bar The Shore in Scheveningen, they have been working with percentage tips for quite some time. During the pandemic, the business switched to card payments only. “Tips dropped drastically then,” says co-owner Thomas Franse.

In 2021, The Shore got a POS system that had that tipping option, and it was enabled. “That was definitely the moment the tips went up again.”

Franse has mixed feelings about asking for tips. “It is not the best customer experience. In the beginning, we received quite a lot of negative reactions alongside the positive ones. However, it is an important source of income for the staff.” He also notices customers getting used to it now, because more and more hospitality businesses are doing it. A tip menu on a card reader

Payment company Adyen compiled data on the proportion of hospitality business owners who are customers of their establishments who use a custom tipping menu. For restaurants, this rose from 19 percent in the first half of 2025 to 22 percent in the first half of 2026. For bars and cafes, it rose from 46 to 53 percent.

“This indicates that this is increasingly becoming a standard part of modern payment processes in the hospitality industry,” says Julien Marlier, Benelux Manager. On card terminals where the tipping function is active, 61 percent choose ‘no tip’. Consequently, 39 percent do leave a tip, averaging 4.31 euros.

Tebi also has figures on the percentage we select when giving a tip. Most often, people choose 5 percent. “About a quarter enter their own, usually small, amount,” says general manager Florian Brunsting. “High ‘American’ tip amounts are hardly ever seen.” In the US, a tip of at least 20 percent is expected in restaurants. How much tip should we give?

The Irish pub Mick O’Connells in Utrecht also has card readers with tip requests. “It is sometimes quite surprising who does and doesn’t give a tip,” says manager James O’Halloran. “Young students, from whom you wouldn’t expect a tip, might give 5 or 10 percent. Wealthier bank employees sometimes give nothing at all.”

The tip is usually 5 percent, he notes as well. “On average, we receive about 3,500 to 4,000 euros in tips monthly. That is distributed entirely among employees, based on the number of working hours.” On average, it amounts to about 2 euros per hour. Less personal

Restaurant and bar patrons react differently to tip requests. “I didn’t give a tip,” says Sophie, who ordered at the counter at a salad bar in Utrecht and had to choose. “I find it less personal. It’s just: here, do you want to give a tip or not?”

“I like it because then I can choose for myself what, if anything, to give,” says a visitor to The Shore in Scheveningen. He gave a 5 percent tip. “People work hard for it. So it’s nice to give a little something extra.” More often in Amsterdam

Whether entrepreneurs opt for a tip menu varies by region. For instance, in Amsterdam, over 30 percent of Tebi customers have enabled the feature, whereas in Nijmegen, for example, it is only 10 percent.

During a survey in Den Bosch, several hospitality businesses said they did not want to get involved. “I’m not really a fan of it,” says Marc Bouman of Brasserij Breton. “I’m not going to push tips unnecessarily; people give it if they want to.”

“If you show that choice, people might feel forced,” says Angie Joosten of Café CinQ. “For us, it works just fine to leave it entirely up to each individual.”

  • betanumerus@lemmy.ca
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    8 hours ago

    Asking for a tip is like asking for more money after you both signed the deal.

    If you ask for a tip, I, as a customer, will also ask for a tip.

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    12 hours ago

    However, it is an important source of income for the staff.

    How about you don’t suck as an employer and pay adequate wages to the staff?

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    15 hours ago

    The Netherlands is one of the most equal countries in the world and their minimum wage is relatively high. Sorry, but you can do without my tip. Because once this is normalized where will it ever end?

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      13 hours ago

      US and other countries see tipping as wwy to pay their employees even less. It’s kind of a “well just perfom well and get the rest in tips”

      A social worker once told me something similar à “you can support yourself with tips ! Be nice to customers, extra nice. Even nicer than ever.”

      I needed to take a shower after getting home that day. This is a ridiculous concept…

      Imagine you go eating at a restaurant, and the waitress is extra nice to you cause her livelyhood depends on it… All while being stressed from serving, remembering orders and having to keep the place running, all whill big CEO is sitting somewhere counting all the cash made by doing nothing. Not fun.

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    18 hours ago

    Oh god, here in Germany, too. Was at a chain bakery in Cologne station a couple of weeks ago, bought something for like 3€. The employee told me “choose on the screen and place your card”, I just automatically placed my card. Nothing happens. “Choose on the screen”.

    Oh.

    Do I want to tip 15, 25, or 30% for the literally 5 seconds of service I got?

    Of course didn’t tip, because wtf.

    However, I’m sure in her eyes I was being an asshole. And that’s the thing, isn’t it? Every party is incentivized to push for this model.

    • payment terminal makers increase the amount of fees they collect
    • employees get lured with the promise of making more money
    • employers get lured with the idea of being able to reduce expenses wages eventually

    (This wasn’t the first time btw, just the most egregious one I’ve encountered)

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      However, I’m sure in her eyes I was being an asshole.

      Dont be sure about that assumption. That person might hate the system for the very same reason you do. They might feel like beggars. Here in Denmark we got the same thing going and I often experience that the staff will push the “no tip” option themself.

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        I mean… Maybe. But she had two opportunities to do so.

        I’m not angry at her in any way, I should clarify. If I was in the same situation? Low paying job, potential for significant additional pay for no extra work? Hard to say no to that.

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    14 hours ago

    one thing that might put at least a little dent on this, is to be outraged when you see such tipping thing and abort whatever purchase you were going to do because of it and let the seller know it too. Its annoying and bothersome, but better that than this spreading more and you eventually being coerced into giving in.

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    16 hours ago

    Another potential problem with card tipping is that the service person serving you might not receive the tip at all because restaurant owners can choose to keep the additional money or to redistribute it unfairly among the staff

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      15 hours ago

      Is that even legal? I know that they can do this in the US, but I have no clue about the legality of this in the Netherlands.

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        10 hours ago

        I don’t know tbh, but a quick search in German law for example has left me under the impression that while the service person has a right to keep a tip by law, the whole topic seems to be a grey area. What makes matters worse is that the tips paid by credit card are going to the account of the owner first and it seems to depend on the willingness of the owner to distribute the tips to the service people afterwards. If the gastronomy business in the Netherlands is similar to Germany, with minimum wage incomes, bad working conditions and a cutthroat environment (and I suspect it is) then I guess a lot of these credit card tips don’t make it into the hands of the service person. But that is just my assumption.

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    17 hours ago

    I remember learning from my parents that tipping is the exception, not the rule, for when the service really has been exceptionally good. Now I feel like a dickhead when eating out and not tipping, no matter the service quality, which really annoys me (experience in Germany)

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      I actually do it the other way round, as I feel weird for “rewarding” service people, it feels kind of hierarchic. So I always tip in a restaurant, but I don’t tip if the service was bad.

      I do small amounts if I had more than a drink. In a bakery or somewhere else to go I only tip if I feel the person could need it, if it’s a student or so.

      And yeah, I also don’t tip via these 5,10,15% card terminals. But I give them 1 or 2, euros in cash instead.

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    My grandma always said (translated) ‘against the vice of asking for, the virtue of not giving’. She was a really wise woman.

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    21 hours ago

    Choosing the option “no tip” is an important political statement: we must protect worker’s rights.

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    19 hours ago

    Even if i was going to tip, which I do when it’s a nice restaurant, showing me a terminal with a button will instantly turn that into no tip.

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      Yeah, I’ll give some euros in cash, but will press no tip on the terminal
      I can’t be sure, if the employees ever receive it and I want to honour the service I got personally

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    Speaking as an American, albeit someone who’s lived in multiple countries and traveled widely, you don’t want our tipping culture.

    It’s a slippery slope that once you slide down you won’t be able to climb back up. Claptrap about consumer choice means nothing when those around you are tipping, and the waiter is hovering over your table with an expectant look in his eye.

    The 5, 10, 15% tip rates are also laughably naive. At least on the US west coast, POS machines routinely display 18, 20, 22, 25%+ options now, and 20% has become the de-facto standard for good service if you have any plans to return to an establishment.

    There’s also tip creep. Whole classes of professions that didn’t expect tips here in the US now do. Yielding to tip culture is also a concession to changing the balance between living wages and variable income.

    For what it’s worth, I tip generously here in the US because I know it’s the culture, and offsets the ridiculously low minimum wages paid to hard-working service staff. But our failings don’t have to be your failings.

    Edit: Supporting my point - https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodLosAngeles/comments/1dafgeb/normalizing_the_22_tip/

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/business/money-report/sick-of-tip-creep-5-times-its-ok-not-to-tip-according-to-etiquette-experts/

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    I never quite get why performing your job = entitlement of expecting tips as granted. Office jobs don’t get tips either when they perform their jobs. Maybe there are bonuses based on revenue but that’s another thing. So why when office jobs are out buying a coffee or ice cream, they are expected to tip?

    If the boss is terrible and doesn’t pay their workers a living salary for spending their time and effort in making the business run, what customers ought to do shouldn’t be supporting this model out of mercy or compassion but use their action to vote for businesses they support, like when they would usually make other purchases elsewhere.

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      Forced/expected tipping is toxic and absolutely wrong for so many reasons, the least of which is in many states it is expected for staff wages so legal exceptions to the minimum wage are enacted (some places you make less than 2$ /hr).

      And yes, it is like a little bonus for the working staff.

      In Spain tipping is generally rounded up change to the nearest euro, people still give tips feely and it is a welcome surprise but definitely not expected.

      I find it ironic that the English shit on the Spanish for not tipping, then don’t tip themselves, and Americans always say ‘hey, we don’t have to tip!’ and don’t, completely missing the point of tipping.

      The Dutch are famously tight but tip well, the Irish tip well.

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        This was the tipping way in Germany too, at least when you mostly paid with cash. IMO it was mostly used to speed up the payment process, even when recieving okayish service. Much faster to return 8€ than 8.47€. With digital transactions this is not necessary anymore. Ignoring the 1/10 exceptional service you get rarely.

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          I actually enjoy the service here, everything takes awhile, servers disappear, you often have to get their attention if you n would like something… In the US its so oppressive; every 30 seconds: water? Howiseverything? Can I get you some thing else? Here’s your bill now getthefuckoutigottamakerent

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    22 hours ago

    This should be prohibited.

    Pay our workers properly. I never tip for this reason. It’s the responsibility of the employer to pay well, not of us.