Ethics experts and Democrats express alarm as Trump uses office to grow his personal fortune to ‘unprecedented’ level

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    17 hours ago

    Is it possible that, one day, when real government is restored, Trump’s assets will be seized to help pay for the damage he’s done?

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      It’ll turn out that all his wealth was on worthless paper and all of his tchotchkes were just gold spray-paint.

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        No it’s mostly from crypto, meaning bribes and money from fools. He’s actually rich now and is getting billions for real.

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    People hate on trump but he’s honestly the perfect image of American Culture. That’s probably why he was chosen as a muppet for whoever owns him.

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    As bad as he is as a person, Trump isn’t the cause of the problems, he is a manifestation of them. He exploits them for personal gain but the system allows him to do it. The problems will not be resolved if there is another presidential election and he isn’t re-elected. The problems are deeper. To resolve them, a very broadly based restoration of ethics is required.

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      I see it differently.

      These type of politicians exaggerate small problems and make people think about them as much as possible so it is perceived as big problems and then they sell themselves as the solution. Immigration, fake news, presidential corruption, LGBT, DEI, and all other “problems” Trump abused to gain power, were never as bad as they made many people believe.

      The system allows for this kind of mass manipulation, so it’s definitely a bad system. But these politicians are as much to blame for the “problems” they force into the minds of people as the system is for allowing it.

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        What you say is also true and makes the problems worse, but changing the president won’t suddenly produce a well educated public resistant to misinformation and manipulation or legislation that serves the interests of the broader public, or take money out of politics, or hold the corrupt oligarchs accountable for their crimes, or remove from power the many other corrupt politicians who accept bribes for legislation against the public interest, do insider trading or otherwise abuse their power, or restore law and order generally so that all are equal before the law, regardless of wealth and power (not that this ever was the case, but it is worse now than it has been), and it won’t rein in corporations, to hold them accountable for their actions and treat them as organizations to serve the public interest, rather than as ‘people’ above the law, to be served according to their wealth.

        As Bluescluestoothpaste said: the ‘checks and balances’ have been proven ineffective, and changing the president won’t fix them.

        The GDP is growing. There are more billionaires than ever. But the middle class is devastated and there is less opportunity for ordinary people to enjoy a bit of success and security and some small reward for their hard work than there was decades ago. The share of the wealth that goes to working people has been decreasing for decades. That’s wealth that society produces as a whole. Individuals don’t produce it in isolation. But changing the president will not change the economic system or fundamentals of power structures.

        The problems that lead to Trump being in power are systemic and pervasive. They existed before he gained power to abuse them and they will continue to exist after he is gone. They are much harder to fix than removing a single, corrupt president from power.

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        None of those are the problems we’re talking about. We’re talking about checks and balances which are now exposed to be a big joke. This is like maybe the first time we caught a neighbor stealing our wifi, but we literally never had a password on it. The problem was the security of our system the whole time, not the new neighbor who moved in and stole it for the first time.

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    ‘Expressing alarm’ is meaningless without actually responding to the alarm. That whole article is full of statements like “alarmed legal and ethics experts”, “critics raised red flags”, “analysts are troubled”, “experts have raised “corruption” concerns”, “offer equally strong critiques”, “We have previously raised concerns…” etc, and not a single word about anyone doing anything beyond a sternly worded letter.

    Everyone: “Hey! The smoke alarm in the kitchen is going off!”

    Democratic Party: “Damn. Anyway, moving on”

    Sort your shit out, America.

    [edited comment after reading the whole dispiriting article]

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      Well a big problem with the US is that the establishment of the Democratic party has been saying for the last 30 years “NOT NOW, this election is TOO IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRE ALARM” to people who are hurt and scared because they feel like they are definitely in a burning building.

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          Ok buddy, when was the last time YOU saw a large housefire without it being surrounded by firetrucks?

          Explain That

          Do you REALLLLLYYYYYY think it is a coincidence?

      • Super Mega Ultra Edition DX Unleashed 64@sh.itjust.works
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        Yeah, they are.

        They offered voters nothing.

        Nothing got you all here. Voters didn’t turn out because they didn’t believe in either candidate. A minority of leftists and liberals even wanted Kamala Harris, they were just voting by default to fuck Trump.

        There was no real hope there, just a stab at the status quo for a few more years before Team Nazi tried again, and they would’ve. Democrats are worse at handling Republicans than Ash Ketchum is at handling Team Rocket.

        oh, and fuck Jill Stein.

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          So, 50% of the population is responsible for the horrors the other 50% perpetrated on the world? Talk about blaming the victim.

          I don’t know where you live, or how old you are, but I have a feeling that you should probably keep your opinions to yourself until you have a little more to stand on, because that was a terrible take.

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            My impression is that the left just kind of petered out around the 1980s, because there was a broadly felt sense that “everyone is middle class now” - leaving the US with a “leftist” party that really was more “moderately conservative”, and a Republican party that was fumbling its way closer and closer to fascism, via “populist” conservatism.

            To quote the usual phrase: Republicans are the reason things got worse, Democrats are the reason things did not get better. I think that’s what people are getting at. If you want to get out of this situation, the US needs Democrats who actually want to make things significantly and noticeably better - and Democrats who stand in the way of that, are part of the problem.

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              It’s wild to me that everyone wants to blame the people they think should be fixing the system instead of blaming the ones that broke it…

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                Sure, in fact I don’t think that throwing blame around is a very useful exercise right now. We need to focus on understanding the problem and fixing it

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                The dems are still in congress voting yes enough that trump gets most of his policies through. They should be voting no on everything and shutting the government down because a literal genocidal maniac who rapes children is the president.

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            Listen, lil bruh, degrading comments leave you with less stand on because they’re hollow and cheap. Maybe if the Democowards had more to stand on in 2024 beyond being a four-year pause button instead of actually furthering socialist policies that benefit anyone, people would give enough of a shit to leave the house in November.

            I’d camp out in the parking lot for AOC.

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              The DNC didn’t drive down engagement, the “both sides”, the “Kamala is a cop”, and the “Kamala Supports Genocide” people did. Things like that only further the GOP agenda. I don’t want another repeat of the last 4 years, so I don’t really give a shit if they run Kamala again or Hunter Biden, because literally anything is better than what we have now. Is AOC a better candidate? Yes, no doubt. But in a year and a half, ifshe’s running, people like you will find some flaw in her policy and claim she’s just another “corpodemocrat mouthpiece.”

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      They would have probably gone with the status quo.

      Empty promises to grow the middle class, supported Ukraine and not started a new war with Iran, and kept their corruption at a sustainable level… you know, to keep having a cow to milk rather than slaughtering it for the one-time bonanza.

      Probably no mass deportation or concentration camps or thousands of people disappeared into deportation gulags and (likely) mass graves in some country where nobody will find them.