Meanwhile “aggressive” vegan messaging just describes things for what they are, even downplaying them, because there is no way to describe the horrors in words
Vegan to leftist: Hey you know that pig that you’re eating part of probably died screaming in a gas chamber? Are you ok with that?
Leftist: omg stop being so aggressive don’t you know there are reasons why I can’t go vegan?
Also that leftist: You have florp installed on your computer? Don’t you know that one of the developers of florp made some posts on twitter saying they support Israel? Do you like fascism? What is your problem?
Just today I saw a lengthy comment chain were one commenter argued first that is was too expensive to vegan, and after doing the math themselves (and thus showing that it was indeed cheaper), they moved the goalpost to argue that it was inconventient and never gonna happen on a large scale, because of calorie density.
Guess who is also arguing under this post? What a surprise…
Sometimes I’m wondering why I’m even engaging in these discussions at all. By now it’s probably just because I’ve reiterated the statements so often, that I just have the sources easily available, but I always know the outcome before I even post an answer. Such people aren’t really interested in actually discussing veganism.
Do you mind if I ask what you eat for breakfast usually? I try to eat vegan for most of my meals but after a while I’ll start to feel pretty off and I cave in. It’s like I can’t totally shake it.
Do you make sure you’re actually eating enough and balanced meals?
My breakfasts are usually either leftovers or oat porridge. Sometimes bubble and squeak, chickpea pancakes (savoury), bean based dips on bread, TVP patty breakfast muffins, or kimchi pancakes
Thanks, this is already giving me some more inspiration. So far I’ve had the best luck with oat porridge with nuts and fruit in it. I think I just need to push through until it’s a new normal. Like quitting smoking or something.
I feel like I eat quite well at lunches and dinners, and no trouble avoiding animal products there. Snacks are usually nuts or a homemade muffin… I feel like I’m so close to going all the way.
Sometimes you just want gross slop and his recipes are all pretty much that. Although the burger patties are actually relatively nutritionally sound (so is everything tofu based and not deep fried) if you don’t have sodium intake issues.
Not at all! However I’m not sure if I’m the best person for that, my breakfast eating habits aren’t the best, I’d say :D
I’ve been raised with eating cake for breakfast, as my mother really likes to bake. Or, if there was no cake, bread (the german kind, I guess that might make a difference from a nutritional point of view) with marmalade. This caused me to also pick up baking and experiment with recipes to make vegan versions of them, which was a lot of fun and is now a new hobby.
Other than that, I usually drink black tea during breakfast, as I don’t drink coffee.
But most important is that you find your own “rhythm”. Eating habits and needs differ a lot between people. A friend of mine gets really hangry if they don’t eat a small snack every few hours in between meals. I can go for half a day without eating, but then also eat way too much afterwards.
Thank you! I know no advice will be universal, but it’s just helpful to hear how other people are doing, and it helps normalise it too. Like eating vegan is something regular people do.
Good advice on finding a rhythm. For instance if I ate cake or pancakes I’d probably crash out hard before noon. But after that I find I’m able to tolerate baking much better.
Probably one of those nutritionally dense breads like Ezekiel would work for me.
One thing that has been going through my mind, but I didn’t mention in my earlier reply: another approach would be to look at what you eat in the morning and trying to get similar macronutrients, i.e. do you usually eat more protein, carbohydrates or fats in the morning. Then you could try to find a mix that fits for you. But seems like you have it figured out :)
I think that’s a good approach and worth trying in the future. I ended up going with just a lot of tofu (like 1/2 a block) and some veg for digestion. I figured that even if it’s not what I’m used to I can at least tell myself that I have definitely got enough nutrition for a breakfast. And that kind of calmed me.
I went down to 1/4 of a block today and that’s probably what I’ll stick with for now. Actually looking it up and that’s basically how much protein I was getting before… maybe I’ll throw in a slice of toast for the carbs…
Good system! I’ll pass it along as the opportunity arises
The one which pisses me off the most are the people claiming their autism prevents them from maintaining a vegan diet because the mouthfeel is so triggering they’d rather starve.
I’m curious about the gas chamber. I won’t deny that industrial meat production is cruel at best, the gas chamber makes little to no sense. It is far more expensive than the expediency of a bolt gun, and runs the risk of contamination (unless it’s nitrogen but the information I found in an admittedly cursory check says nitrogen suffocation is not used on animals.)
I haven’t watched that video, not sure how horrifying it is. That site has lots of videos of electrocution and captive bolt gun if you’d like to see how humane they are. Personally I would not euthanize myself using any of these techniques but maybe you would and thus maybe you will think they’re humane.
The answer as to why, is as all terrible things money. Throughput is high, CO2 stays where you put it and it’s cheap, nobody cares if pigs spend their last moments drowning and panicking.
Pigs have very thick skulls, they are powerful and rather noble creatures when not locked immobile in a pen and overfed (not much difference between domestic pigs and boars really, they grow large and hairy if you let them roam wild). Bolt guns and electrocution have an extremely high rate of failure on them.
Edit: everyone always asks for proof, never looks at it, and downvotes it.
I believe it was Joey Carbstrong who lifted the lid on this particular thing, but there was some footage of the gas chambers having trotters in them. why? Because pigs will thrash so hard they literally rip their feet off while they’re being gassed. Humane? Nah.
Me making a week’s worth of bacon and eating it on my sandwiches every lunch last week: This was so not worth it. I really gotta reassess my food choices…
Vegan, speaking gently and matter-of-factly: “Using animal’s bodies for producing consumable goods involves rape, imprisonment, torture and murder. Leftists are anti-exploitation and anti-capitalist, and using living bodies for profit entails that.”
Leftist, yelling in response: “StoP foRciNG yOUr beLiEfs On mE, vegan, veGaNisM iS a bouRgEOIs phIlOsopHy!”
Meanwhile “aggressive” vegan messaging just describes things for what they are, even downplaying them, because there is no way to describe the horrors in words
Vegan to leftist: Hey you know that pig that you’re eating part of probably died screaming in a gas chamber? Are you ok with that?
Leftist: omg stop being so aggressive don’t you know there are reasons why I can’t go vegan?
Also that leftist: You have florp installed on your computer? Don’t you know that one of the developers of florp made some posts on twitter saying they support Israel? Do you like fascism? What is your problem?
Please make it make sense.
Just today I saw a lengthy comment chain were one commenter argued first that is was too expensive to vegan, and after doing the math themselves (and thus showing that it was indeed cheaper), they moved the goalpost to argue that it was inconventient and never gonna happen on a large scale, because of calorie density.
Guess who is also arguing under this post? What a surprise…
Sometimes I’m wondering why I’m even engaging in these discussions at all. By now it’s probably just because I’ve reiterated the statements so often, that I just have the sources easily available, but I always know the outcome before I even post an answer. Such people aren’t really interested in actually discussing veganism.
Do you mind if I ask what you eat for breakfast usually? I try to eat vegan for most of my meals but after a while I’ll start to feel pretty off and I cave in. It’s like I can’t totally shake it.
Do you make sure you’re actually eating enough and balanced meals?
My breakfasts are usually either leftovers or oat porridge. Sometimes bubble and squeak, chickpea pancakes (savoury), bean based dips on bread, TVP patty breakfast muffins, or kimchi pancakes
Thanks, this is already giving me some more inspiration. So far I’ve had the best luck with oat porridge with nuts and fruit in it. I think I just need to push through until it’s a new normal. Like quitting smoking or something.
I feel like I eat quite well at lunches and dinners, and no trouble avoiding animal products there. Snacks are usually nuts or a homemade muffin… I feel like I’m so close to going all the way.
Junk food is something I miss the most and I have found this guy: https://theeburgerdude.com/ awesome.
Sometimes you just want gross slop and his recipes are all pretty much that. Although the burger patties are actually relatively nutritionally sound (so is everything tofu based and not deep fried) if you don’t have sodium intake issues.
Oh that’s a great site. I love all the pictures. I have a lentil burger I make, but it definitely doesn’t scratch that junk food itch
Not at all! However I’m not sure if I’m the best person for that, my breakfast eating habits aren’t the best, I’d say :D
I’ve been raised with eating cake for breakfast, as my mother really likes to bake. Or, if there was no cake, bread (the german kind, I guess that might make a difference from a nutritional point of view) with marmalade. This caused me to also pick up baking and experiment with recipes to make vegan versions of them, which was a lot of fun and is now a new hobby.
Other than that, I usually drink black tea during breakfast, as I don’t drink coffee.
But most important is that you find your own “rhythm”. Eating habits and needs differ a lot between people. A friend of mine gets really hangry if they don’t eat a small snack every few hours in between meals. I can go for half a day without eating, but then also eat way too much afterwards.
Thank you! I know no advice will be universal, but it’s just helpful to hear how other people are doing, and it helps normalise it too. Like eating vegan is something regular people do.
Good advice on finding a rhythm. For instance if I ate cake or pancakes I’d probably crash out hard before noon. But after that I find I’m able to tolerate baking much better.
Probably one of those nutritionally dense breads like Ezekiel would work for me.
I get what you mean, but it’s phrased a bit weirdly 🙃
OK day one was really rough not gonna lie, but day two and I think I’m getting into the swing of it.
I ended up g roughly following this tofu scramble recipe.
I’m going to be kicking myself if all it took was pushing through one bad day…
Anyway thank you again for your supportive words, they definitely helped push me through my reticence.
Awesome! That recipe sounds really nice!
One thing that has been going through my mind, but I didn’t mention in my earlier reply: another approach would be to look at what you eat in the morning and trying to get similar macronutrients, i.e. do you usually eat more protein, carbohydrates or fats in the morning. Then you could try to find a mix that fits for you. But seems like you have it figured out :)
I think that’s a good approach and worth trying in the future. I ended up going with just a lot of tofu (like 1/2 a block) and some veg for digestion. I figured that even if it’s not what I’m used to I can at least tell myself that I have definitely got enough nutrition for a breakfast. And that kind of calmed me.
I went down to 1/4 of a block today and that’s probably what I’ll stick with for now. Actually looking it up and that’s basically how much protein I was getting before… maybe I’ll throw in a slice of toast for the carbs…
Good system! I’ll pass it along as the opportunity arises
Hehehe, I was there. I feel famous 😎 kachow!
The one which pisses me off the most are the people claiming their autism prevents them from maintaining a vegan diet because the mouthfeel is so triggering they’d rather starve.
I’m curious about the gas chamber. I won’t deny that industrial meat production is cruel at best, the gas chamber makes little to no sense. It is far more expensive than the expediency of a bolt gun, and runs the risk of contamination (unless it’s nitrogen but the information I found in an admittedly cursory check says nitrogen suffocation is not used on animals.)
Wanna take a look? https://www.farmtransparency.org/videos/frbqvwrjoo
I haven’t watched that video, not sure how horrifying it is. That site has lots of videos of electrocution and captive bolt gun if you’d like to see how humane they are. Personally I would not euthanize myself using any of these techniques but maybe you would and thus maybe you will think they’re humane.
The answer as to why, is as all terrible things money. Throughput is high, CO2 stays where you put it and it’s cheap, nobody cares if pigs spend their last moments drowning and panicking.
Pigs have very thick skulls, they are powerful and rather noble creatures when not locked immobile in a pen and overfed (not much difference between domestic pigs and boars really, they grow large and hairy if you let them roam wild). Bolt guns and electrocution have an extremely high rate of failure on them.
Edit: everyone always asks for proof, never looks at it, and downvotes it.
Why ask, why be dishonest about whether you care?
I believe it was Joey Carbstrong who lifted the lid on this particular thing, but there was some footage of the gas chambers having trotters in them. why? Because pigs will thrash so hard they literally rip their feet off while they’re being gassed. Humane? Nah.
I don’t know how people can do that, it’s so vile.
Me making a week’s worth of bacon and eating it on my sandwiches every lunch last week: This was so not worth it. I really gotta reassess my food choices…
Vegan, speaking gently and matter-of-factly: “Using animal’s bodies for producing consumable goods involves rape, imprisonment, torture and murder. Leftists are anti-exploitation and anti-capitalist, and using living bodies for profit entails that.”
Leftist, yelling in response: “StoP foRciNG yOUr beLiEfs On mE, vegan, veGaNisM iS a bouRgEOIs phIlOsopHy!”