• DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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    Sadly, nuclear weapons are one of the few ways to guarantee a country’s independence and safety in the age of global imperialism.

    Iran tried negotiating, and look what it got them. Had they developed the weapons successfully, there’d be no war, and all the people dead would still be alive.

    North Korea was in a considerably worse position before acquiring nuclear weapons, too. Now look at it. Doing whatever it feels like.

    Similar situations with Pakistan and India.

    That’s just how it is when the world is run by genocidal sociopaths with a deep passion for children.

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      Yep, which is why any peace talks between the ROK and DPRK that rest on denuclearization are nothing more than political theatrics. If the US ceases colonizing the ROK and the ROK drops denuclearization requirements to end the war and ease tensions, increase cooperation, etc., we can actually see peace and eventual reunification on the peninsula without bloodshed.

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      Just a thought, maybe “doing whatever it feels like” shouldn’t include establishing a brutal totalitarian dictatorship that keeps the population effectively captive within its borders. So yeah, genocidal sociopaths are indeed a problem.

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        Northern Koreans live and work around the world, the major barrier is the sanctions placed on it by the US Empire. Further, how is the DPRK “genocidal?” They were subjected to genocide by the US during the Korean war. The DPRK is one of the world’s most propagandized against countries on the planet, they aren’t some totalitarian hellscape where KJU eats everyone’s food or anything.

        In reality, the DPRK is a developing country with a consistent ideology called Juche. The reason it seems “crazy” is because we do not actually listen to them on their own terms, we have a language barrier, and because they are so heavily shut out from western views. Documentaries like My Brothers and Sisters in the North, as well as YouTube videos like We Went to North Korea to Get a Haircut help humanize northern Koreans as people.

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          The major barrier is their repressive government. No it’s not a totalitarian hellscape, but when your government prioritizes weapons over food, you’re gonna have a bad time.

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          I don’t think people have an issue with North Koreans as people though. It’s solely a government issue, and what you said is definitely true there is heavy information control used to intentionally keep people ignorant. So while the sanctions placed upon them are a barrier definitely, I wouldn’t say it is a major barrier when the country can’t even allow outside information which seems extremely dystopian to the western world.

          And then you see how the Kim regime demands to be treated, it is hard not to view them as brutal in some capacity. So it isn’t really “them” the people as much as “them” the government.

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            I think people certainly see it as a purely government issue, but this requires a fundamental falsehood to be true: the idea that northern Koreans do not actually support their government. If the people of the DPRK support their system, and the actions of the government are actually fairly logical, then they have far more in common with other developing countries like Cuba than not. Narratives that depend on northern Koreans having no autonomy and purely being subject to the whims of the government trend more towards chauvanism than sympathy.

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          How many times are they going to impeach him? He should be guillo-mangio-kirked, but most are too apathetic, racist, or embarrassed boot lickers and will conveniently look the other way.

          They are way more concerned about gas prices than the turmoil they’ve created elsewhere for generations.

          They’ll likely spend more money and effort in PR campaigns to create a smokescreen of “justice”, than fix anything, again.

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      Hell, looks at Iran. North Korea got nukes and now their leader is parading his daughter on a tank and preparing her to succeed him. Iran tried to negotiate and their now-leader’s father, wife and children are all dead. Given the crippling sanctions already on Iran, one approach is clearly more successful than the other.

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        I haven’t seen much evidence that Kim Ju-Ae is being raised as a “successor,” KJU has an elected position. I do think he is preparing her for politics, but it may not be in the capacity of General Secretary of the WPK or anything like that.

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        Iran has something the DPRK does not, though, Hormuz. It’s essentially an economic nuke, though obviously it isn’t as effective at preventing attack, it seems very effective at flipping the tides without inviting an actual nuke on them in retaliation like MAD doctrine would result in.

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          It’s sort of one-time-use though. Now that it’s been used, the gulf states are building pipelines to bypass the gulf and vulnerable countries are taking the opportunity to decarbonize. If the straight opened tomorrow, these countries would continue those efforts to reduce their strategic vulnerability. It won’t be as strong of a deterrent the second time around.

          Also, a nuke is supposed to deter aggression. It didn’t do that.

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            It’s not a 1 to 1, and the strait still provides a huge capacity for oil flow that pipelines do not have. Further still, the world is transitioning to solar (at greater and lesser rates), reducing the importance of pipelines anyways.

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    Has anyone mentioned that the SCMP is a propaganda outlet under the Chinese party-state’s disinformation regime?

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      It was George W. Bush that ruined the then blossoming Sunshine Policy, actually, after 9/11. From then on denuclearization has been off the table permanently. Trump meeting KJU during his first term was legitimately the best foreign policy the US has ever had with respect to Korea, which tells you that the bar is all the way down in hell.