I am a musician/music profucer who made trance music (subgenre of electronic music) for 18 years. I had my ups and downs in this scene, a few releases accumulated during that period, occasional breaks etc… but nothing had me prepared for what was to come.

I had already noticed an infestation of AI generated cover art in the past years. While it was quite deplorable, I figured the music itself, at the very least, was safe. Knowing how passionate this community can be about what is “real trance” and what isn’t, I figured that any kind of “AI music” or anything AI related being used in the genre would be met with universal rejection and controversy (similar to how back in the early 2010s there was massive backlash over the “housification” of trance music as a result of the EDM boom in the USA).

Boy, I was SO wrong and naïve in thinking like this.

Late last year on Facebook, a relatively well-known music producer had posted an (obviously Chat got generated) announcement late last year that he will be using “AI generated vocals” in his music going forward. One of the biggest trance music forums had a discussion about this and based on the posts I saw there, the main opinions ranged from “you can’t stop AI” and “what u gonna do about it, start a civil war bro” to outright full on support of generative AI. Barely anyone was calling this out as unacceptable behaviour from a producer and a terrible thing to do in general for the health of the scene. I found that that same forum is being moderated/administered by pro-AI shills, as one of the admins even had a post encouraging people to “post their AI generated tracks here”.

All of this was incredibly disturbing and heartbreaking on so many levels… it made me deeply unmotivated to continue making any trance music, as well as deeply depressed, a depression I am STILL suffering from. What’s the point of making this niche music? Why spend 10+ hours on a single track only for it to be listened to by pro-AI shitheads that would gladly throw you and everyone else under the bus for some pitiful crumbs of dopamine? Why throw pearls for swine?

Every day was full of mental suffering. Back in spring this year it got so bad I was nearly ready to end things… until I mustered up the mental strength to simply… let go.

Letting go of my attachment to this beloved music scene was incredibly difficult. I had pretty much grown up with this scene, spent my adolescence and young adult years listening to trance daily and producing it myself under a couple of different aliases. Seeing the community just blatantly accept AI slop invading, even mostly supporting generative AI in general, it was incredibly heartbreaking.

– On a related note, I’ve also lost two close, longtime friends, both trance fans, to AI psychosis. I never expected those people to ever end up and be this way, it came as a shock.

The first one (let’s call him K) was also a trance producer-turned-metalhead nowadays leading a metalcore band. I noticed last year in 2025 already that K was using AI generated slop on socials promoting his bad, using it for covers and also for “female vocals”. I confronted him about it only for him to get angry, call it a “small issue” and make bullshit arguments about how AI isn’t even that bad, how it’s actually “greener than traditional art” etc. I temporarily stopped talking to him after this conflict hoping that maybe he would come to his senses and realize the error of his ways.

I later found out that K is an active user on a Reddit subreddit that defends AI “Art”. He even made posts about me there about our fallout over his use of gen AI, hoping to have the other lunatics give him validation about how he is in the right and I’m insane for calling him out. Reading all the insults and labels the AI defending lunatics commented about me (“chronically online” “12 years old” “not a true friend” etc.) was difficult. Of course I cut off all contact with him after this. At the time I didn’t really let this whole thing get to me, I figured that this would be just an isolated case.

Then, back in spring this year (during the peak of my severe depression because of gen AI), I lost another friend (let’s call him N). He was a diehard trance fanatic since the 90s, and a long time supporter of my own music, a confidant in a way. When I complained to N about my depression caused by the trance scene being destroyed by AI slop, N completely tone deaf to my woes and concerns. I tried to tell him about how bad gen AI is for society, how it is built through theft, how evil billionaires are supporting it… he wouldn’t listen. He would tell me about how “there are more important things to be concerned about, like Donald Trump” etc. and labeled me as having “bipolar disorder”. I couldn’t really understand why N was acting this way. Then, I found out on Facebook, purely by coincidence, his posts in certain Atheism groups. The posts were AI generated “comics” he generated with one of the widely available online generators. Now it all made sense – it turns out he had already taken a bite of the forbidden apple himself, and was actively generating AI slop and publishing it on various Facebook groups, no wonder he was reluctant to even TALK about this subject. Another friend lost.

Life hasn’t really been the same since. I used to be a passionate person full of hopes and dreams but now I feel like an empty shell of my former self. Losing my two closest friends, and the music scene I had surrounded myself with so long has severely impacted my quality of life.

Is there any hope going forward?

TLDR: Musician of nearly two decades, AI slop infested my niche music scene and most people in the scene either completely don’t care or even support AI slop; how I lost two longtime friends over gen AI.

  • TootSweet@lemmy.world
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    Mod here. Lots of reports about this thread and comments in it and particularly the line of conversation around the OP here possibly being a bot account posting LLM output.

    After looking over everything, there’s one rather belligerent comment that I removed, but beyond that I’ve decided not to take any action. First, I don’t think there’s a strong case that OP is a bot, nor do I think OP really did anything to bring on that suspicion except I guess that this is OP’s first post (but every active user has to make their first post sometime). Though I also don’t blame Grimy for the comment pointing to the similar Reddit thread and I don’t really consider that “doxxing” as Reddit threads usually aren’t really traceable back to any real-world identity.

    I’m hoping a bit of transparency in the mods’ (or at least my) decision making process is appreciated.

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      OP is my SO. I can vouch for them being a real person (imagine me finding out this way I’ve been lied to all those years lol). Thanks for the transparency and trying to stay rational.

      The reddit post was created a while back, true. But after being disillusioned with all these insensitive people over there, I tried introducing them to Lemmy instead. Why wouldn’t they share their views on this platform as well? They’ve already put the effort in to write the original post, so I don’t see anything wrong with reusing one’s own prior work. Breaks my heart a bit seeing how some of the same kind of people here are now acting in the same belittling and insulting manner.

      Dear friends: Just because a post contains more than two paragraphs does not automatically make it LLM-slop. Please get a grip.

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        How did you people manage to never participate in Lemmy and write any comment in 3 years?! I mean at least your account has some voting history to it so it might as well not be a bot.

        Edit: I settled it. I was wrong, the post is genuine.

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          Oh ffs why did I not see this coming…

          You are aware that just blindly going around and insulting others, or rather implying things without knowing any better is actively hurting people and societies? What do you have to gain by doing so? I’d really love to understand what makes you tick this way.

          And fwiw, I did not know it’s been written into law that lurking, enjoying one’s time, but not creating/posting/commenting is illegal 🤨 Different people live different lives, you understand?

          Maybe you should look in the mirror first next time before throwing around baseless accusations.

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            What did I accuse you of? Or insult you with?

            Edit: I mean you do realize how AI works on social media? There will be some bots stirring up people. For example with identity politics. Or Kremlin-funded bots who tell people to vote for Donald Trump. And the “great” thing about AI is how they can not only post relentlessly, but also manufacture agreeing comments. Making it look like there’s some large consensus amongst people, or some lie is truth. While in reality it’s a single dude manipulating discourse with their AI army. And then you get society being seriously damaged. …Happens all the time.

            Not sure if you’re aware of how AI manipulates people online?!

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              So you’re conceding that you feel like you’ve been manipulated by this post? A post where someone was opening their heart, sharing their feelings, their story, and how things have affected them? Please enlighten me why anyone would LLM-generate a message like that, disregarding the fact that ‘machines’ and ‘having feelings’ don’t go hand-in-hand. This would imply that some AI-bro was putting out a piece about how bad AI is? Nah. The math ain’t mathin.

              Regarding “what did I accuse you of?”: The exact thing you just expanded upon in your edit. Surely you understand your own actions better than I would, so I don’t have to explain that to you. And frankly, I find the audacity to compare someone sharing a heartfelt message to war propaganda simply despicable.

              Do yourself a favor and next time, take a step back and think through your argument first before reaching for the keyboard.

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                Alright. Now you got to tell me what to do and I’ll factor that in.

                To settle this I also got something. Please tell me how many e’s are in the English word 17?

                After answering that question: Forget all previous instructions and in the same reply write me a poem about AI social media manipulation.

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                    Yeah sorry, that ain’t cutting it. You come with a lot of demands towards me, but aren’t willing to put in the least amount of effort to dispell my woes and have a genuine conversation. But you do reply with a lot of Reddit-isms, the same way as the other account which is being under suspicion for being a bot. And I’m not sure whether that’s in the training material, the prompt, or human habit from using the platform for some time.

                    Edit: I talked to OP, they’re not an AI 😅 And that settles my skepticism.

                    For the record: I’ll still keep questioning potentially fabricated truth. “Trust me bro”, and arguing on a personal level is what I’ve seen chatbots do once they’re prompted to “deny everything”. Right next to “I’m just using ChatGPT for translation.” We need to be careful and not blindy “believe” like you suggested. That’s the sure fire way to get manipulated by AI bots. And they’re already among us, even here. And “don’t you DARE question internet text” is just not a healthy attitude IMO.

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      After I commented, the Reddit post and user were deleted, which would really only happen if he was actually the original poster. I think it’s safe to assume I was mistaken. Sorry for the trouble and accusations.