Often times, I tell people to what extend big tech is willing to hurt people, to collect more and more money, as in data! And the reaction is… disappointing. They either don’t care, sometimes even making jokes, or don’t get over the inconvenience of switching.

If I tell them that that some of those privacy apps, like brave compared to chrome, is more convenient, they don’t care. If I tell them that they hurt themselves by using big tech, like TikTok, they don’t care. If I tell them that their use of those apps hurt others, they don’t care.

I don’t think I am convincing enough. So what can I tell them?

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    Offer user friendly alternatives. The quick win is a privacy friendly browser.

    Ask them why the accept all the cookies while browsing when refusing doesn’t change the experience.

    I’ve starters elf hosting alternative for my family. If it just works they’ll follow.

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    Talk to them about things they know about already. Cookie banners, social media, google adware. They just need to have their own concerns reinforced. You don’t need to nor should you give them your entire diatribe

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    I’ve had success acting like a high-pressure marketer to my family. It’s what the regime does, and it works.

    First, you get or download an alternative product without asking anyone.

    Second, you ask them politely the first time to try it.

    Third, if they do not listen, you paralyze their brains and activities with a fight until they listen. Trump does this to great effect on the conservative base.

    When you deal with people who don’t care about protecting their privacy, you’re dealing with people who have authoritarian values. You have to be an authoritarian to them because that’s what they’ve been conditioned to respond to.

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    They’ll start to understand once a few of them have been rounded up for liking the wrong brand of breakfast cereal.

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    Everyone’s being so despondent. Of course it’s possible to convince someone to care about privacy. If they’re your friends, you’ll know them better than we do. What do they value? What do they care about?

    In my experience more people care about privacy than you think. But they just think it’s hopeless. They’re constantly being told “There’s no point. Every company already knows everything about you. Give up.”

    Bullshit. Even if ad companies have a nice tailored set of data on someone’s interests, behaviours, routines, etc. the moment that person cuts off the supply, that data starts becoming less relevant, less useful and less valuable every day. Once I explained that to a few people I had a bit more luck getting them to install ad blockers and stop posting so much personal info online

    Talk to them in a language they’ll understand. If they deal drugs, tell them they’re much less likely to get caught using encrypted messaging apps. If they’re into true crime, point out how many stalkers were able to track their victims down using what they’d posted on social media

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    I try to go after the biggest improvement. Aka I recommend a different browser when the opportunity arrives. Like when they complain about ads.

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    You don’t and stop worrying. I told BIL TVs are spying cause let’s be real it isn’t just LG. And he still hooked up his TV to the internet. Probably thinks I’m super paranoid. People just don’t care.

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    First, don’t expect to change their mind with anything you say.

    Second, keep it simple and only provide details if they ask.

    Third, make it less about logic and appeal to pathos and ethos more. If they’re Christian, talk about your “God-given right” to privacy. Talk about how you don’t like your fourth amendment rights being stepped on. If they ask about that, then start adding in some actual arguments. “If the governments not allowed to invade my privacy, then who do these corporations think they are?” “The governments not allowed to invade my privacy without a warrant, but they just buy my data from these corporations anyway, it’s basically illegal!”

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    You can’t control or convince others.

    What you can do is live your best life and let them know it. Not in an annoying way, but in a real way.

    How many conversations do I hear about spam calls or text messages? Everybody hates them and they get in on this commonality thing of yeah we all hate that it sucks. Then I bust out with a, yeah I’m glad I don’t really deal with that anymore… Wait what? I have a solution?

    Then I break it down, and I’m very clear my measures are not for the faint of heart. But its a spectrum and there’s some low hanging fruit they can do to dramatically change things from where they are. Do they do it? No. But they now know there is a better way and acknowledge it, then actively choose not to do it.

    Does that change anything? Yes and no. No, nothing technically changed. But yes, they understand a little more now. So now they don’t treat you like a crazy person or if you say you’d rather not use WhatsApp or whatever they aren’t so insistent that this is all you being weird.

    Stop making it a confrontation is my point. That makes you the bad guy. You’re not, the companies and governments are. Let them see that.

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    Here’s the thing: You don’t. You can’t. There are no magic words to make someone see things your way. You can give them ideas to mull over, but you can’t convince someone who doesn’t want to be convinced. You can be open, express your views and give your reasons to anyone willing to listen, but that is the extent of what you can do. Some people may eventually come to you for advice; welcome them and guide them as you can. Most people may take some bits from you but never start actually caring. That’s ok, that’s their way.

    You can’t force people to do things your way, nor should you try. Just be honest.