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he just might have started a path where it becomes normal for real leaders to openly laugh at trump
Advice to Zelensky:
Say to Trump Ukraine will stop bombing Russian oil, when USA has fixed the Hormuz strait problems and Oil is down below $60 like they were before USA attacked Iran.And they release the Epstein files unredacted
I think the better way to win Trump over is to say “I think you’re an amazing man, and I heard Putin laughing about you behind your back, and he said you’re a loser. But not me, I love you.”
That might work too. My comment was based on the principles of Anders Puck Nielsen:
https://lemmy.world/post/53243375
But use pictures, and simplify it further if possible. Math should be kept to what can be shown to him with fingers. No guarantees he will understand even with these steps though.
Use gold rimmed paper to get his attention.
https://youtu.be/K1jyjSRYIuU We should play this on loudspeakers outside the White House.
The fact remains that the high energy prices are ruining the EUs economies. And yes the Iran war is responsible for the high fuel prices now, but it did start earlier. Germany shutting of their nuclear power at the behest of the fossil fuel lobby. Then Biden bombing the nordstream pipeline and sanctions against Russia.
These are the causes for the massive deindustrialization Germany and the EU is facing. You might agree with it but this remains the facts. But it’s not like this forced degrowth in the face of the war is doing anything to counter climate change any more, that ship has sailed by now.
So what the fuck are our European leaders laughing about? The downfall of Europe? For what? Ukraine? Some shithole ultra corrupt contry nobody, really absolutely nobody cared about before? We HAD to get that one into NATO and we HAD to get that one into the EU?
I understand the US they want to expand their empire and redefine the relationship with their vassals in the EU. I understand Russia, they don’t want to have missiles easily reaching Moscow and loose access to the black sea, and they don’t want to be next on the chopping block. I understand Ukraine the nationalists there want a permanent break from Russia and permanent russophobia is a great strategy to maintain power.
What I don’t understand is Europe. Just what the fuck did we gain from this? Ethical brownie points? Or does anybody seriously think we are safer today than we’ve been before the color revolution and regime change in 2014? Like seriously? It’s so fucking pathetic. Ukraine won’t be holding out much longer and gonna end up as a failed, landlocked state.
Europe really deserves the fascist takeover by AFD/LePen/Reform that is inevitable coming next. Weak leaders and moronic people being swayed by the most obvious propaganda. I guess the then retired European leaders are going continue laughing in their villas.
Germany shutting of their nuclear power at the behest of the fossil fuel lobby.
Huh?
and also, what about solar and wind?
But it’s not like this forced degrowth in the face of the war is doing anything to counter climate change any more, that ship has sailed by now.
So we give up on trying to fight climate change?
I understand Russia, they don’t want to have missiles easily reaching Moscow and loose access to the black sea,
and now, is Moscow safer from missiles and have easier use of the Black Sea than before the war?
I understand Ukraine the nationalists there want a permanent break from Russia and permanent russophobia is a great strategy to maintain power.
In a sense, Putin and Stalin did much to promote Ukrainian nationalism, much like the Nazis in a way promoted Zionism, or Zionists promoted Palestinian nationalism
Ukraine won’t be holding out much longer and gonna end up as a failed, landlocked state.
When will this happen? Before 2030?
Europe really deserves the fascist takeover by AFD/LePen/Reform that is inevitable coming next.
When do you think these parties will take over Germany, France, and UK?
So we give up on trying to fight climate change?
We’ve given up on climate change in 2016 and even then it was already too late. Anyone pretending otherwise is just delusional. We’re probably going to burn every single fossil fuel. And nothing we can do about it any more. Hitting somewhere around RCP6 is a near certainty now. That is unfortunately the sad reality. How much coverage does climate change and efforts even get these days? Near zero.
I understand Ukraine the nationalists there want a permanent break from Russia and permanent russophobia is a great strategy to maintain power.
In a sense, Putin and Stalin did much to promote Ukrainian nationalism, much like the Nazis in a way promoted Zionism, or Zionists promoted Palestinian nationalism
How The CIA Conjured Ukrainian Nationalism
This is based on declassified intel. The US has been supporting Ukranian ultra-nationalism since the 1950s. And they were utilized in the 2014 coup as the core of the Euromaidan. And as a Ukrainian trial verdict from 2023 found they were behind the Euromaidan massacre false flag operation. This is reality.
Did you know the slogan “Slava Ukraini” in the complete form (“Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes!”) has been created by the banderites who fought with the NAZIs during WWII, and now been adopted as the official military greeting? The same banderites who massacred a 100.000 poles Wikipedia article. This is reality.
I don’t know if anything like this reaches you. If anything at all can make you think for a moment. I see little difference between MAGAts, climate change deniers, anti vax and the people who are rabidly anti-Russia and pro US empire and neoliberalism. Complete denial of reality and incapable of accepting reality as it is.
You are being systematically lied to. You can check western sources to see this (see the links in this article), if you can read history and between the lines of propaganda. Historical facts are now denounced as Russian propaganda like reality and truth just doesn’t mean anything any more. The official “Eu against disinfo” is spreading lies now. Do you still believe in democracy and liberal values? Because you are certainly not supporting them by repeating the propaganda of the US empire.
So in this political climate how exactly do you think Europe can avoid sliding into outright fascism?
When do you think these parties will take over Germany, France, and UK?
PS: To add to the last bit, the thing is the AfD voters are quite stupid, and the AfD opportunistic neoliberals who will change their course on Russia almost immediately after getting power. Whatever gets their rocks off. They are not driven by any ideology, opportunists like MAGA.
But while these voters are very susceptible to certain propaganda, it’s not the same kind of “idealism” propaganda that has hypnotized the left. Like they don’t believe that Russia is evil because they are just acting in their own best selfish interest, and they’ll believe the same about the US and other states too. This is the difference between “realism” and “idealism” in international relations. They think everyone, just like themselves, is out to get theirs. So talking points like “Putler will soon march and take Berlin” is defeated by a simple: What would he gain by actually doing that? While the idealistic people think “because he evil and irrational of course he wants to destroy everything!”. And it’s an old hat now. Sadam was a hitler. Gaddafi was a hitler. Assad was a hitler. The Ayatolla was a hitler. What those voters actually want is a clear nationalist policy platform that is in our own interests. But none the mainstream parties deliver on that and cowtow to the demands of the US empire instead.
So in answer to your question: “sooner than expected”.
Agree on all points, but small correction here:
Nazis in a way promoted Zionism, or Zionists promoted Palestinian nationalism
Nazis did not promote Zionism by attacking Jews. Zionism made deals with Nazis to facilitate immigration to Palestine (Haavara agreement). Also Zionist orgs actively worked against the Jewish leftist groups in Europe, and by extension, helped the authoritarian states (Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia).
Zionism did not promote Palestinian nationalism. There was Palestinian nationalism that was suppressed under Ottoman rule and was advocating for their own state under the British mandate. The identity always existed and the state building was just starting early 1900s which was the same time when Zionism began colonization of Palestine.
You would have gotten nothing but upvotes if you just made some punchy platitude about yellow and blue sports team.
But you had to give thoughtful insight.
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Shocking. I’m not a big proponent of defederation, but if I never saw another lemmy.ml or lemmit.online post I would be fine with that.
Whoa, they already fixed their bot farm??
Yes Ukraine was a corrupt shit hole because the elected officials were Russian puppets, the moment they revolted and tried to not be a corrupt shit hole Russia invented a threat to invade them and replace the gov with the previous corrupt marionette leaders that they used to have.
So yes I agree Ukraine was a corrupt shit hole, but it was that BECAUSE of Russia.
There are plenty of “shithole ultra corrupt contries”. But the only ones who care about them seems to be anti-imperialists like most of people on Lemmy. So you are not leftist i assume? Or how does your definitely unbiased description of a relatively poor country matches with the values of socialism.
If you know and understand the historical facts and how propaganda works, you don’t need to be an anything. It matches with basic human decency and any kind of morals.
Nordstream sabotage has been found to be a Ukrainian special ops. It may have been guided by other countries but the agents were Ukrainian
Video of Biden Saying He’d ‘End’ Nord Stream Resurfaces After Pipeline Leak - Newsweek
Nothing ever happens.
Do you feel better now?
But what is Europe is doing to help Ukraine? This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
So Russia gets all it wanted for free? Sounds like you just invented Danegeld. Why should Europe/Nato be willing to be extorted for a war it didn’t start or is active combatent?
Russia would lose all land it seized from the 2022 invasion. Europe is already paying for the war in Ukraine by supplying weapons. It will pay even more if Russia conquers Ukraine.
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- Good point but France is a nuclear power and has a good military. Countries fought Germany during World War II despite being in the Great Depression. Countries that can replace France are Germany and Poland.
- It would be replaced by a European alliance without the US. Leaving the US out is to make the agreement attractive to Putin.
- Only two countries would send troops to Ukraine. This is necessary to prevent Putin from claiming he is being overwhelmed and must go nuclear.
- Europe has to be reminded of the consequences of Russia winning in Ukraine. The UK and France weren’t willing to fight Germany during World War II. When Germany invaded Poland, Britain and France declared war on Germany but did nothing. They should have attacked Germany from the west while much of Germany’s military was in Poland. The result of this purely defensive strategy was that Germany invaded France and France considered one of the powerful countries in the world surrendered in six weeks.
I’m ool on 1 but not first time I’ve seen it today. What’s up?
